On Sunday, August 21, 2011, Ex-JWs grilled a Bible Student elder on questions about the book of Revelation. The main question: Who is Babylon the Great? First the Bible Student elder gave a 45 minute presentation to answer that question. Two hours of tough and relentless questions followed. Yet the discussion was friendly, optimistic and enthusiastic. One of the participants told me he had never heard such and clear, scriptural and insightful explanation of the topic and of related areas of Revelation.
You can listen to the complete audio broadcast here: Who Is Babylon the Great?
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” The king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt himself and magnify himself above every god; and against the God of gods he will speak astonishing things. And he will prove successful until the denunciation comes to a finish; because what is determined must take place. He will show no regard for the God of his fathers; nor will he show regard for the desire of women or for any other god, but he will magnify himself over everyone. But instead he will give glory to the god of fortresses; to a god that his fathers did not know he will give glory by means of gold and silver and precious stones and desirable things. ” (11 : 36-38) None of the Soviet dictators had a royal title, and all were “comrades”. However, because of Comrade Lenin, a great imperial city of Petrograd became Leningrad, Stalin was called “shining sun”, and none of them were elected by the people, and they all had so much power that many kings from previous times would envy them! Did the communist absolutistic kings really “exalt themselves above every god”? Even before he came to power Comrade Lenin wrote that ” all worship of a divinity is necrophily ” and ” Just because any religious idea, any idea of any god at all, any flirtation even with a god, is the most inexpressible foulness, particularly tolerantly (and often even favourably) accepted by the democratic bourgeoisie – for that very reason it is the most dangerous foulness, the most shameful “infection”. ” 4 As soon as he seized power, Lenin did his best to get rid of ” infection “. On the other hand, photos of himself and his successors images were hanging like icons in public buildings and lavish parades were held in their honor! The death of the Soviet leader was more than national mourning. The joy was forbidden, factories stood still, trains were stopped on the tracks, the songs were written in their honor, and people in severe cold for hours were waiting for their turn to see the deceased for the last time. Because of all this, I have no doubt that necrophilia, when associated with the Red dynasty, was not a bad thing! Thus, the communist King really ” exalted himself above every god “, so it is logical that the God of gods is not likeable to him! During the 1920s in the USSR magazine “The Godless” was circulating, which content was fully in line with the title. In the first issue (If I’m wrong let someone correct me) on the front page JEHOVAH was pictured as one-eyed rabbi in dog’s position on a leash, led by a rich man! In the issue of 1926 (?) we see, again, Jehovah as the one-eyed man with a Jewish banker who sits in his lap. Below the drawing reads: ” I am Jehovah, the oldest of the gods and I understand things better than all of these nurslings. I am aloof, like the dollar. I will not stand for you talking nonsense about peace and love like my son, Christ. I am occupied exclusively with my people, where everyone does his own thing: the capitalists and money lenders get richer, and workers labor for them. A good Jew will always be rich if he listens to my practical advice. Workers, be devout Jews and work for the capitalists with all your might. If you even think about turning to the goys (unbelievers), the Christians, the Muslims, and other workers, and shamelessly snatching from the hands of my honorable capitalist children the smallest pieces of gold, then I will condemn you, and in the next world I will torture you and torture you. ” People always had something against the true God. In Scripture we find those who have underestimated the power of Jehovah, some who were saying that God is not interested in humans (sorts of deists?), others who were rather shy atheists, the third ones who were criticizing Jehovah that he is overly permissive, fourth who thought he is too strict, the fifth even thought they are more righteous than him, but I have never found a case where Jehovah is compared to a dog, nor is he anywhere portrayed as the ultimate evil and vengeful monster! (Exodus 5: 2; 1Kings 20: 23-28 ; Ezek 9: 9; Psalm 14: 1; Jonah 3: 5-4: 3; Isaiah 28: 10,13; Matthew 25:24; Jer 31:29; Ezek 33:17; Malachi 2:17) Is it not ” astonishing ” that the government blasphemed so boldly Christ’s father in the country where great majority worshiped him!? It is not necessary to be a Bible expert to understand how much the government perverted character of the God of gods. (Genesis 22:18; Ex 12:49; 22:21; 23: 6,10,11 Le 19: 18,33, 34; 25: 25-28) However, we should have really good insight to understand that the government was right for making (almost always) a clear distinction between Jehovah and the Orthodox-Catholic-Protestant versions of the Christian God, that is called God the Father 5. Of course, this version of the deity had no support nor permission from the Party! “The Godless” depicted God the Father as a puppet in the hands of the capitalists and the government fiercely persecuted the Orthodox Church. So, there is no doubt that the king ” show no regard for the God of his fathers “. I do not know whether we should identify “the desire of women” with Mary the mother of Jesus, or with Jesus, Tammuz, or Artemis, but I know that none of them was praised by the communist tyrants, and that the words of Daniel 11:37 fit perfectly the time when “comrades” ruled the Soviet empire! Yet, comrade king had something to worship – god of fortresses !!! The word that is translated as fortress can mean force, therefore, the king glorifies god of strength. In the previous chapter I mentioned that Stalin was ready to invest incredible resources and put great effort to produce a nuclear bomb, while his people suffered from hunger and poverty. This is the great sword (μαχαιρα μεγαλη), a symbol of divine power, with which the northern king was bewitched. Although his predecessors or “fathers” more or less worshiped strength of horsemen and archers, the power of artillery, tanks, military aircrafts and force which can destroy millions of people in a blink of the eye, was unknown to them! ”
https://archive.org/details/tree-generations-and-appointed-times-clear.-7z
Now Im beginning to see the whole picture. Many are saying that Roman catholic church is the harlot. I agree with that. I have been digging information from many sources. That church is doing so many bad and disgusting things that I dont want to say them in here.
It is also interesting that political or religious societys are using the names from mythology which is from demons. Europe is from Europa of goddess. Vatikan name also is from goddess Vatika that is a goddess from underworld. It is not a surprise how they are intrested to choose their names from there because this is satans world and he is controlling them.
Hello dear friends. I had memorial service of my own. I wanted to join in yours too, but the headache was so annoying I had that night, that it was impossible. I am feeling much better now after all feelings noticing bible being faked. I have been alot of studying for myself lately. I made few mistake guessings. We are not perfect. Been focusing alot of this beast and the woman. I agree alot what is said here in Mystery, Babylon the Great. I could add there some more information I found out. I found out too that Babylonians were worshipping a goddess who had many names but the main name of her was Queen of the Night.
Under this link there is a relief finding of her
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burney_Relief
Another thing they say is that those owls and lions are demons that they were worshipping. But only they were undercover names.
1. Lions are an attribute of Inanna.
2. The mountains beneath the lions are a reflection of the fact that Inanna’ s original home was on the mountaintops to the east of Mesopotamia.
3. Inanna took the rod-and-ring with her in her descent to the underworld and her necklace identified her as a harlot.
4. Her wings, bird talons and owls show that Inanna is pictured in her aspect of Owl goddess and goddess of harlots.
This information is under this link.
https://www.ancient.eu/article/658/the-queen-of-the-night/
After that I began to search some more. I realized that these same demons they were worshipping in ancient Babylon, use undercover names these days as I said earlier. They are showing themselves as “harmless, innocent” like goddess names. After the main town of Babylon was destroyed these goddess spread are all over the world. Goddess names are not harmless, they are demons.
Harlot can also be under many names.
But that I dont believe what they say in the link that Adam had first wife before Eve. That is another Satans trick to mix truth and lies.
Hi Marjo.
I’m sad to hear you had to contend with a nasty headache. I’m happy to hear you managed to celebrate it yourself. I remember the first time we celebrated the Memorial by ourselves as a family. It was both wonderful and kinda scary. How did you find it? Hopefully it was more wonderful.
Jesus said that many would seek truth and few would actually find it. The one thing about truth is that when you’ve finally weeded out all the lies, it’s what’s left. It’s also comforting to me to know that in the coming Peaceful Kingdom the confusion and lies and influence of Satan will no longer impair mankind’s search for truth.
Chinese Proverb: There are 3 truths. There’s my truth. There’s your truth. And there’s the truth.
Proverb 2:3-6
indeed, if you call out for insight
and cry aloud for understanding,
and if you look for it as for silver
and search for it as for hidden treasure,
then you will understand the fear of the Lord
and find the knowledge of God.
For the Lord gives wisdom;
from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.
I encourage you to keep searching, and to trust your doubts to lead you towards truthful information, and to always trust that Jehovah will bless your sincere efforts. (Heb. 11:6)
-greg
Thank you for the good advices. Praying has also helped me to find pieces of truth. If I find something I pray several times…is this or is this not. Or is this connected to this or not. First of all I began to search history from 1000AD to 2018. Its very interesting. I think thats what Russell was doing when he was searching information. When you find it you just feel it when you know you have found it.
Marjo your brain is waking up. It was suppressed for so long by being told independent thinking is wrong. We weren’t dependent on them for anything. They along with us depend on Jesus and Jehovah. They are not gods. Hurray keep searching!!
Now my eyes are WIDE open. This is what I have been looking for. Now there it has been on youtube all this time. Omg…I couldnt believe my eyes when this man started to speak about EU and on the video showed the woman with the beast. The woman with the beast is printed to our actual 2 euro coin!!! Omg I have the beast on my purse.
https://youtu.be/s0JBKm4ZMMU
Marjo, when i get the chance I will look at the video. But i cant believe you have a coin with that imprint, wow. I also have to go back and read Travelers letter to the governingbody. It is spring break here for grands for 2 weeks so I need to soak them in. Lol
I found some more information about this.
Euro was named after Europa that was a name of a prostitute.
That was a god in mythology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dMEy1NF6ek&t=0s&index=1&list=FLwqFMuuE12Fx-fZo746wThg
Thanks Marjo,
When I did research for a talk I gave on Revelation 12 I ran across this information as well. I included some of the history of Rome and its Paganism in the talk I gave on the antichrist at this link —
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmsX5kqbFQk
hey every one i just wanted you all to know some new info on the harlot. check out astana, kazakastan and the religions of the world congress which has actualy been around for some time now. Even more evidence that she does indeed ride the wild beast. How will this play out as the beast will devastate her?
how do u no what is the rite religion jesus set the example for us he said follow my foot steps closely. read ur bible see what jesus did while on earth then follow that example. if u c others aint following that example then find the ones that do hope that helps.
k taiwo
false religion is babylon the great the harlot is false religion and the beast is the goverments
Anonymous – Yes I agree with you that the beast represents civil government. A careful study of scriptures discussing the Antichrist (or Babylon the Great) show that this evil system persecuted the true Saints (Dan 7:25; Rev 12:13-17; 13:7). In past centuries, the true Saints did not dwell among the false non-Christian religions of the world in China, India, Africa, etc. The Watchtower founder, Charles Taze Russell, identified the Papacy as Babylon the Great, the evil Antichrist system that persecuted, tortured, imprisoned and killed the true Saints during the Dark Ages. Since the true Saints were in no way connected with these other false religious system, they would not be considered as part of Babylon the Great, as they were not persecuting the Saints.
false religion is babylon the great
Hello, how do i know the true religion?
You can find the answer in our post, “Do we all worship the same God?” https://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2010/10/22/do-we-all-worship-the-same-god/
Or are you asking which is the true Christians religion?