Welcome all Anointed Jehovah’s Witnesses and those who would like to talk with you!
Anointed Talk is a place for the Anointed of Jehovah’s Witnesses to talk to each other and for others of us to get a chance to talk to you. And why not? We have been told that no one else is listening to you. Is this true? The The Watchtower, 5/15/00, p. 11 says, “anointed Witnesses of Jehovah have been blessed with insight, enabling them to understand…” (See complete quote below). Yet to what avail is this special insight? Does the Governing Body care what the Anointed have to say? Do they ask for the opinion and spiritual insight of the anointed? Sadly, we are getting reports from Anointed JWs, indicating they are being disrespected, ridiculed and made fun of. They tell us that they are even being discouraged from partaking of the memorial. Is it true that the elders and others just don’t believe that those who claim they are anointed really are? That they do not respect insights of those claiming to be anointed? Are the anointed who express a different point of view labeled an Apostate? Is what we are hearing true? Is this the norm or just unusual examples coming our way?
Why doesn’t the Governing Body consult the anointed? Why aren’t they interested in their opinion? Why is the Watchtower writing department adding more writers that are not anointed? Are the Anointed a perceived threat to the power structure that must be diminished? After all, shouldn’t JWs being looking to the anointed for spiritual guidance as opposed to Elders, Circuit Overseers and District Overseers? Is the JW power structure trying to minimize and belittle their influence? Is this really all just about power and who is in control?
We are not trying to incite the Anointed to rise up and rebel and fight the system. The Lord’s anointed are a humble and meek people. Yet we understand that if anyone expresses a difference of opinion, whether anointed or not, they are in danger of being labeled an apostate. So, how then can the anointed be in any position to provide spiritual insights. If it is only to tell everyone else to follow the organization, then couldn’t any JW member do that? So then of what value are the anointed in the JW Organization? It only seems to make sense that elders and leaders in the JW organization would desire, in humility, to look to the anointed for spiritual guidance.
What do you think? What is really going on. Let us know what you think. This is a place to talk. We want to hear from everyone, but especially from the anointed ones, whether presently JWs or whether you have been driven out of the organization. Please enlighten us and tell us the truth of what is happening. Here you can talk to each other and help each other out.
Full quote: “Daniel 12:4 states: “As for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of the end. Many will rove about, and the true knowledge will become abundant.” Much of what Daniel wrote was made secret and sealed up to human understanding for centuries. But what about today?
6 In this time of the end, many faithful Christians have ‘roved about’ in the pages of God’s Word, the Bible. The result? With Jehovah’s blessing on their efforts, true knowledge has become abundant. For instance, anointed Witnesses of Jehovah have been blessed with insight, enabling them to understand that Jesus Christ became heavenly King in the year 1914. In keeping with the apostle’s words recorded at 2 Peter 1:19-21, such anointed ones and their loyal companions are ‘paying attention to the prophetic word’ and are absolutely certain that this is the time of the end.” – “The Watchtower, 5/15/00, p. 11.
Friend Michael; Along with Peter I’d like to thank you for the W.T.s newest thought on” Who’s Who in the Anointed Realm” update.Christians today who have the hope of going to heaven are fully aware of their sinful inadequacies even though they do the best they can.Even the old Apostle Paul acknowledged his sinful side in Corinthians.So when religious groups try to cast doubt on a person’s eternal life resulting from any effort on his part toward maintaining a perfect record in Christian conduct or amount of time spent in service to a religious agenda,I am reminded of scriptures that show we were bought out of the condemnation of death not by ANY works we could perform,but by Jesus sacrifice of perfect blood and flesh.So now my question to all doubters of anointed or consecrated Christians is this;” Which of any sins we may commit while in this imperfect flesh(though spirit-filled) does Jesus’ sacrifice NOT cover? 1 John chapter 3 talks about this and explains if we practice sin we are in the dire position of possibly being lost. An equal comparison is even made of those who have hatred toward their brothers;showing God is no longer with that person.Corrective counsel is given so that the hater/sinner can mend the breach that occurs between the Holy Spirit and the consecrated or anointed one.Make no mistake,when I sin due to my imperfect flesh the Holy Spirit is quite offended and will leave my body;and understandably so.He doesn’t want to hear a cussing fit,heated argument,a lie,an impure thought,or act.So He leaves.You can sense it by having a bad conscience.You know what you’ve done and when you realize it you “get down on your knees” and beg for Him to come back.Simple. When you beg forgiveness and for the spirit to return(and you may have to SUPPLICATE Him)gradually you sense a return.That’s what being spirit-filled means;maintenance.Ephesians 5;18 says”Also, do not be getting drunk with wine,in which there is debauchery,but keep getting filled with spirit.” This command infers that ,yes Christians at that time may have been foolish and got drunk and committed some sins as a result.If that were to happen ,Paul didn’t say they’d lose their heavenly hope did he? No,but counsel is given and with time and repentance a correction can be achieved.If only a perfect scorecard was the requirement for everlasting heavenly life, then nobody’s gonna make it.Thankfully that’s not the criteria for life.Bro.Peter’s comments from 1 Cor. ch. 1 are most applicable,”in order that no flesh might boast in the sight of God.”1 Cor.1:29 Then he sums up ,”But it is due to Him that you are in union with Christ Jesus who has become to us wisdom from God, also righteousness and sanctification and release by ransom.” Wake up America,we’re not under the Law code of Israel!We’re not under the condemnation of sin anymore.Our bill is paid.Take advantage of this fact by letting your mind rest a little bit.Our sins can be forgiven now. Christ has set us free.As to letting J.W.s tell us who can be anointed now? The nerve!That belongs to the Father;his business who he wants to choose for his sons in heaven. Woe to any pious, egotistical,assuming,pompous,browbeating,intimidating, selfish, fleshly- minded person who would DARE to step up and tell the Father to his face,”What are you thinking? Didn’t you hear,WE closed the door on this anointing business 70 years ago. Didn’t you read about it in the Watchtower?”.See John 3:8
Friend Michael; Along with Peter I’d like to thank you for the W.T.s newest thought on” Who’s Who in the Anointed Realm” update.Christians today who have the hope of going to heaven are fully aware of their sinful inadequacies even though they do the best they can.Even the old Apostle Paul acknowledged his sinful side in Corinthians.So when religious groups try to cast doubt on a person’s eternal life resulting from any effort on his part toward maintaining a perfect record in Christian conduct or amount of time spent in service to a religious agenda,I am reminded of scriptures that show we were bought out of the condemnation of death not by ANY works we could perform,but by Jesus sacrifice of perfect blood and flesh.So now my question to all doubters of anointed or consecrated Christians is this;” Which of any sins we may commit while in this imperfect flesh(though spirit-filled) does Jesus’ sacrifice NOT cover? 1 John chapter 3 talks about this and explains if we practice sin we are in the dire position of possibly being lost. An equal comparison is even made of those who have hatred toward their brothers;showing God is no longer with that person.Corrective counsel is given so that the hater/sinner can mend the breach that occurs between the Holy Spirit and the consecrated or anointed one.Make no mistake,when I sin due to my imperfect flesh the Holy Spirit is quite offended and will leave my body;and understandably so.He doesn’t want to hear a cussing fit,heated argument,a lie,an impure thought,or act.So He leaves.You can sense it by having a bad conscience.You know what you’ve done and when you realize it you “get down on your knees” and beg for Him to come back.Simple. When you beg forgiveness and for the spirit to return(and you may have to SUPPLICATE Him)gradually you sense a return.That’s what being spirit-filled means;maintenance.Ephesians 5;18 says”Also, do not be getting drunk with wine,in which there is debauchery,but keep getting filled with spirit.” This command infers that ,yes Christians at that time may have been foolish and got drunk and committed some sins as a result.If that were to happen ,Paul didn’t say they’d lose their heavenly hope did he? No,but counsel is given and with time and repentance a correction can be achieved.If only a perfect scorecard was the requirement for everlasting heavenly life, then nobody’s gonna make it.Thankfully that’s not the criteria for life.Bro.Peter’s comments from 1 Cor. ch. 1 are most applicable,”in order that no flesh might boast in the sight of God.”1 Cor.1:29 Then he sums up ,”But it is due to Him that you are in union with Christ Jesus who has become to us wisdom from God, also righteousness and sanctification and release by ransom.” Wake up America,we’re not under the Law code of Israel!We’re not under the condemnation of sin anymore.Our bill is paid.Take advantage of this fact by letting your mind rest a little bit.Our sins can be forgiven now. Christ has set us free.As to letting J.W.s tell us who can be anointed now? The nerve!That belongs to the Father;his business who he wants to choose for his sons in heaven. Woe to any pious, egotistical,assuming,pompous,browbeating,intimidating, selfish, fleshly- minded person who would DARE to step up and tell the Father to his face,”What are you thinking? Didn’t you hear,WE closed the door on this anointing business 70 years ago. Didn’t you read about it in the Watchtower?”.
everyones comments are interesting its been my experince that if someone claims to be annointed no one takes them seriously unless they hold a high position because no one is realy old enough to qualify now there latest comments in august watchtower bear this out seems there saying if you partake your either crazy or an apostate
Memorial partakers. This is the number
of baptized individuals who partake of the
emblems at the Memorial worldwide. Does
this total represent the number of anointed
ones on earth? Not necessarily. A number
of factors—including past religious beliefs or
even mental or emotional imbalance—might
cause some to assume mistakenly that they
have the heavenly calling. We thus have no
way of knowing the exact number of anointed
ones on earth; nor do we need to know.
The Governing Body does not keep a list of all
partakers, for it does not maintain a global
network of anointed ones.
so i think what there saying is they dont want you to take anyone seriously but the gb the last comment there i think brings that out only the gb has teaching authority no other person does rergardless of what they claim
Michael – Thanks for the August Watchtower quote. It is interesting to see these comments unfold. If JWs are in disbelief of any new person claiming to be anointed, then it seems to me that this must create a logical quandary. From the JW point of view, if there truly were a new anointed brother or sister that Jehovah had accepted, would not the JWs reject and be in disbelief, even though Jehovah had accepted the new one? If only high ranking individuals (i.e. circuit overseers) would qualify for anointing, would that not contradict 1 Cor 1?
1 Cor 1:26 For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; 27 but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, 28 and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are, 29 so that no man may boast before God. NASV
Hallelujah! Brother John, your best yet… (May 24’s posting)
A-anonymous, This is a short and sweet affirmation of what many anointed went thru in the J.W. church(yes I spoke it as such because it now differs little from the judgement we used to declare on other churches)It would be very important to a sincere Christian’s faith in the Gospel message to tune in to this June 6 call in concerning the anointing vs. earthly great crowd calling/class discussion. I personally arrived at my conclusion and answer thru my personal Bible reading and with the spirit’s help.Bro. Russell reached similar conclusions himself.I know millions of wheatlike Christians the world over also understand it a similar way.The Divine Plan book by Bro. Russell goes into the subject in a simple , clear ,and powerful way.Yourself and Tulsigirl would enjoy the presentation;particularly chapters4-6.I disassociated myself from J.W.sPRIMARILY based on that teaching alone.The problem with many of us Witnesses was we felt being anointed was only worthy of a few on earth.But if you read the Bible you must agree NOBODY merits the anointing.Everlasting life in heaven is a gift bestowed upon sinful creatures who God has mercy on.The Watchtower teaching is forever glorifying those who spend large amounts of time in service or what they termed have been faithful for many years.These they state would surely acquire an anointing if any positions were still available in that number of 144000 as replacements only for those few that have fallen away.There again they harp on that tune about works that merit Jehovah’s decision to anoint.Shame shame shame on them for denying the reason Christ went thru his death mission;to wit;to purchase sinners from death and give men a chance for everlasting life.It is a humble repentant heart full of faith and the knowledge of our exceeding sinfulness Jehovah sees.He indeed blesses these lowly of mind with the Helper(spirit personally coming to live with you by the anointing)You then can begin to see just how He and our Lord feel about you.You are not being constantly hammered on to go out and try to achieve something impossible.And what’s that?Trying to convinnce other Christian church members that there is no heavenly call when all their life they’ve been reading it in their Bibles.Is it any wonder they don’t hear the Shepherd’s call in the J.W. message?”You don’t need to be born again,you don’t need the anointing of the spirit,you’re not going to heaven to my Father’s House of many mansions and you won’t be taken up when Christ returns.”These faithful church members who are listening to our earthly hope message consider it for it’s face value;an apostasy from the teachings of Christ and the apostles who clearly understood his plain message,especially after the spirit was poured out at Pentacost 33.Now we have 7.5 million hard working J.W.s out here who acknowledge they aren’t brothers of Christ,,and aren’t filled with the spirit,so really according to Christ aren’t on or in the grapevine of Christian oneness with Jehovah and Christ.(John ch.15)As a former J.W. pioneer and member of 50 years I beg all of you to go to your Bibles and read the New Testament thru with a completely open mind for the first time ,if you haven’t already done so.You will be amazed to see it’s exactly what the J.W.s have been saying all along;”The Christian Greek scriptures have been written with and for the anointed.” Make it your determination to get to the bottom of this issue once and for all.This has to be done before further progress in a person’s spirituality can be made The fruits of the spirit can really be grown when we receive the implanting of the spirit,don’t you think? We also become one with Jehovah and Christ(mistranslated” in union with”…NW[see Kingdom Interlinear edition and Emphatic Diaglott actual Greek translations;both by WTB@TS])that is when we receive the spirit of God into our body/heart/minds/spirit.It truly is the dramatic change to becoming a ‘new creature’;a token of what’s to come in heaven when we are united with Christ.It’s not just something to be imagined or a belief,but a spiritual marriage between you’re spirit and God’s.This is what a Christian is supposed to experience according to the scriptures and only if we’ve received this anointing can we even think of ourselves as Christians as compared to good people who believe the Bible and love Jehovah.Don’t be afraid of the anointing like it’s some wicked possession-type demonic takeover.It simply starts with reading the Bible;”being born of the water”(or Bible truth[John 3]see also chapter 4)Get the facts down first by reading and praying for understanding.Then let Jehovah take care of the rest;it’s a beautiful process like growing in love for someone(not falling in love,mind you)Gently and peacefully you might start to sense a veil start to lift from your spiritual vision.Jehovah be with you.I love you all.Your brother.
I agree the Governing Body is very disrespectful of Jehovah’s true anointed ones. And This disrespect is followed by the Elders. But if we truely have faith in our Father, He will take care of us thru Jesus Christ. After all these are the only two we have to please…
Dear Bring Freedom, I’m so sorry, but it is difficult for me personally to follow your thoughts. It may be the language barrier. However, I did wish an explanation of your ending, “many of you following that son of destruction(I’m korean I mean korean’s witnesses I don’t know USA witnesses)
because he is do not like the truth so that following lie
(*I’m not witnesses)”
What is the difference between Korean’s Witnesses and USA Witnesses? Then what do you mean by “(*I’m not witnesses)?”
I’m sure you understand that this is not a Jehovah’s Witness site. This is a site for Jehovah’s Witnesses who are having difficulties with their association with the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses. This site is run by a group referred to as “Bible Students.”
Just a thought. I think your thoughts are always welcome.
Why do you delete my comment? If you delete again I do not again comment again in your site
But let you check in the day will God delete YOU in the book of life
(Anyhow you are not know about a poor man; so that I talk you this kind of ‘try to follow me’)
YOU are name is “WITNESSES” and more over “-God-‘s witnesses”
that “– witnesses” name; I think you have over assigned
Do you know יהוה the God?
but your family(member) name is Jehovah’s witnesses
Fact
1. Please more and more seeking poor people
because God needs mercy not sacrifice
2. Preferably go to ישוע(Yeshua/Jesus)’s way
because theologians not following ישוע but following human’s idea in acts Shaul(paul)said{“Seeing, therefore, that we are the progeny of God, we ought not to imagine that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, like something sculptured by the art and contrivance of man.”}
3. you have some unnatural things here
Kepha(peter) said in his second letter “Also, with covetousness ~~~ with counterfeit words.”
your head of men is one of theologians so he is making human’s idea
but I mean not all of you
4. this very day Satan is runing his working
Shaul(paul) said in 2 Thessalonians{He is set in opposition and lifts himself up over everyone who is called “god” or an object of reverence, so that he sits down in the temple of The God, publicly showing himself to be a god. Do YOU not remember that, while I was yet with YOU, I used to tell YOU these things?
And so now YOU know the thing that acts as a restraint, with a view to his being revealed in his own due time. True, the mystery of this lawlessness is already at work; but only till he who is right now acting as a restraint gets to be out of the way. Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence. But the lawless one’s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and portents and with every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth that they might be saved. So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.}
many of you following that son of destruction(I’m korean I mean korean’s witnesses I don’t know USA witnesses)
because he is do not like the truth so that following lie
(*I’m not witnesses)
Dear BringFreedom,
No, we are not Jehovah Witnesses. We are Bible Students. I didn’t delete your comment. I wanted to see if we could make it more understandable. In your last comment were you asking for a donation? It wasn’t clear.
Are you a Korean Jehovah Witness? Write in Korean and maybe we can let the translator on this page translate. But we are Bible Students, before Rutherford. Can you understand everything on this site? If not try using the translator on the site to the left. I think maybe you are misunderstanding what is written. I will restore your comments and maybe some of the other commenters can understand what you are saying. Take care& Thank you, Jacqueline
Reply to TrueTruthseeker;s question;What was my experience when I was anointed by Jehovah’s spirit;what was I feeling;thinking;and were there any physical(possibly visions or voices) 1.In John chapter 3,Jesus teaches Nicodemus about the need to be born again of the spirit and water to enter the Kingdom.After reading the Christian scriptures thru several times and pertinent passages such as John chapters 3 and 4,&14-16;Romans 8;1st John ,Gal. 5 and really the entire new testament,I realized there was no “alternate plan” for becoming a disciple of Christ and gaining entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven.I thus thru a couple years of serious study was “Born of the water”;I had learned the truth about the anointing and it’s purpose.(Please read James1:16-18 and John Ch. 4)Only after understanding this truth clearly did I begin to read Romans ch.8 one day as I often did;I would repeatedly return to Romans 8 and John 3 and read them over and over.I guess I thought the more I read them the more I could learn about this awesome cool concept of being invited to come to heaven and be trained to help save mankind.One day I was again pouring over Romans 8 in deep thought when I got this feeling that Jehovah and Jesus were over my shoulder( but in the sky) looking at me; not saying anything just looking, and it was such a real feeling I had to turn and look up in the sky.Of course I only saw blue sky but I still felt a tangible feeling that they expected a reply to something. So then I spoke out loud to them( like praying,but not;more like talking face to face),”are you saying you want me to come up there with you?” And in my mind I pictured Them smiling and nodding their heads “yes”.I then asked in disbelief,”you really want me?To come up there? At that in my mind I imagined or envisioned Jesus(a younger looking man wearing a crown saying “Yes” and with an assuring calm smile on his face.I never did see Jehovah clearly,but just as a bright hazy image.It wasn’t a real vision though but more like my imagination, yet more focused.I more strongly felt their presence there rather.I had an immediate feeling of unworthiness for something like this thinking about how sinful my life has been.But like lighting came an inaudible reply,”It doesn’t have anything to do with that.” At that response I felt a wave of emotion wash over me and I felt the way they felt about me.It was a mixture of love and pity but they felt some actual gratitude toward me and were proud of me and I started realizing I had spent almost all my 50 years doing things for them and I had worked very hard all my life to show my love for them,my brothers and sisters and family and mankind.But I was still fully aware of my sinfulness.So then after gathering my wits I bowed my head in prayer and said I would love to come and live there and learn and started to imagine what awesome powers I might get and training I might receive and it continues to drive my mind even now ;when I go into the Word I look for little pearls of insight into deeper meanings than I’ve known before.That was over 3 years ago,and since then I have learned so many new things.So that was how I perceived I was begotten by the spirit.I really feel I was reborn in the spirit that day or at least was finally made aware of it that day.I too would love to hear what others have to say about this. I think my experience may sound a little crazy or corny or that I conjured this all up; but that’s as close as I can get to saying what happened to or for me.So now you other anointed;be brave and tell your experience.You might be encouraged by the response although we were scorned and made fun of by Watchtower witnesses.Shame on their ugly feeling of envy ;even hatred I felt from them.I had to leave that bunch there was so much hate toward me it drove me out.I understand tho if you feel it too personal to put this in front of everybody.The Apostle Paul told of his conversion,not being ashamed or intimidated in the least;he knew it was those above and their opinion that mattered most to him.And those of his anointed brothers.We know when we talk to each other very long we start to sense the spirit.You can tell what’s in the heart by the words and expressions.
Dear Bro John, I loved your comments on how you felt you were anointed. I’m not, but I, too, have felt times in my life where I felt the presence of GOD.
Your Sister.
(Anyhow you are not know about a poor man; so that I talk you this kind of ‘try to follow me’)
YOU are name is “WITNESSES” and more over “-God-‘s witnesses”
that “– witnesses” name; I think you have over assigned
Do you know יהוה the God?
but your family(member) name is Jehovah’s witnesses
but you have a few of good
1. NWT-bible (faithfully translation)
2. good songs
3. few of piety
but you have a change things here
1. Please more and more seeking poor people
because God needs mercy not sacrifice
2. Preferably go to ישוע(Yeshua/Jesus)’s way
because theologians not following ישוע but following human’s idea in acts Shaul(paul)said{“Seeing, therefore, that we are the progeny of God, we ought not to imagine that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, like something sculptured by the art and contrivance of man.”}
3. you have some unnatural things here
Kepha(peter) said in his second letter “Also, with covetousness ~~~ with counterfeit words.”
your head of men is one of theologians so he is making human’s idea
but I mean not all of you
4. this very day Satan is runing his working
Shaul(paul) said in 2 Thessalonians{He is set in opposition and lifts himself up over everyone who is called “god” or an object of reverence, so that he sits down in the temple of The God, publicly showing himself to be a god. Do YOU not remember that, while I was yet with YOU, I used to tell YOU these things?
And so now YOU know the thing that acts as a restraint, with a view to his being revealed in his own due time. True, the mystery of this lawlessness is already at work; but only till he who is right now acting as a restraint gets to be out of the way. Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence. But the lawless one’s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and portents and with every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth that they might be saved. So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.}
many of you following that son of destruction(I’m korean I mean korean’s witnesses I don’t know USA witnesses)
because he is do not like the truth so that following lie
I have finised my saying
(*I’m not witnesses but use NTW-bible and please visit my blog wordpress or blogspot
http://adoniyeshuahamashiach.wordpress.com/ http://adoniyeshuahamashiach.blogspot.com/)
עמנו אל (Immanuel)
BringFreedom, hello and thanks for commenting. I am understanding a little of what you are saying but I want to have a chance to go to your blogspot to make sure. Nice meeting you. Take Care. Jacqueline
(my English is not native)
Jewishs are deleting my replys when I comment on their posts
but this site not deleting so Thank you
and I hope is to everyone could listen my words
and do not break my saying(I mean cut down my word)
If YOU listen my words to the end YOUR unseemly parts have the more abundant comeliness
My blogspot site is mixed Korean languages posts and English posts
and WordPress is only English (but my english is not good:I’m studying English everyday)
Even if another I bother you, give me generously.
Thank you