Welcome all Anointed Jehovah’s Witnesses and those who would like to talk with you!
Anointed Talk is a place for the Anointed of Jehovah’s Witnesses to talk to each other and for others of us to get a chance to talk to you. And why not? We have been told that no one else is listening to you. Is this true? The The Watchtower, 5/15/00, p. 11 says, “anointed Witnesses of Jehovah have been blessed with insight, enabling them to understand…” (See complete quote below). Yet to what avail is this special insight? Does the Governing Body care what the Anointed have to say? Do they ask for the opinion and spiritual insight of the anointed? Sadly, we are getting reports from Anointed JWs, indicating they are being disrespected, ridiculed and made fun of. They tell us that they are even being discouraged from partaking of the memorial. Is it true that the elders and others just don’t believe that those who claim they are anointed really are? That they do not respect insights of those claiming to be anointed? Are the anointed who express a different point of view labeled an Apostate? Is what we are hearing true? Is this the norm or just unusual examples coming our way?
Why doesn’t the Governing Body consult the anointed? Why aren’t they interested in their opinion? Why is the Watchtower writing department adding more writers that are not anointed? Are the Anointed a perceived threat to the power structure that must be diminished? After all, shouldn’t JWs being looking to the anointed for spiritual guidance as opposed to Elders, Circuit Overseers and District Overseers? Is the JW power structure trying to minimize and belittle their influence? Is this really all just about power and who is in control?
We are not trying to incite the Anointed to rise up and rebel and fight the system. The Lord’s anointed are a humble and meek people. Yet we understand that if anyone expresses a difference of opinion, whether anointed or not, they are in danger of being labeled an apostate. So, how then can the anointed be in any position to provide spiritual insights. If it is only to tell everyone else to follow the organization, then couldn’t any JW member do that? So then of what value are the anointed in the JW Organization? It only seems to make sense that elders and leaders in the JW organization would desire, in humility, to look to the anointed for spiritual guidance.
What do you think? What is really going on. Let us know what you think. This is a place to talk. We want to hear from everyone, but especially from the anointed ones, whether presently JWs or whether you have been driven out of the organization. Please enlighten us and tell us the truth of what is happening. Here you can talk to each other and help each other out.
Full quote: “Daniel 12:4 states: “As for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of the end. Many will rove about, and the true knowledge will become abundant.” Much of what Daniel wrote was made secret and sealed up to human understanding for centuries. But what about today?
6 In this time of the end, many faithful Christians have ‘roved about’ in the pages of God’s Word, the Bible. The result? With Jehovah’s blessing on their efforts, true knowledge has become abundant. For instance, anointed Witnesses of Jehovah have been blessed with insight, enabling them to understand that Jesus Christ became heavenly King in the year 1914. In keeping with the apostle’s words recorded at 2 Peter 1:19-21, such anointed ones and their loyal companions are ‘paying attention to the prophetic word’ and are absolutely certain that this is the time of the end.” – “The Watchtower, 5/15/00, p. 11.
Jacqueline; Introduction
THE Holy Bible is a written revelation from the Sovereign Lord Jehovah to all people on this earth. This inspired book has global appeal, since it contains good news of a God-designed Messianic Kingdom that will establish peace and righteousness forever on a united Paradise earth. It shows that God lovingly provided a legal recovery from death for the world of fallen mankind by means of the ransom sacrifice of his Son Jesus Christ.—John 3:16.
DO I believe that written word has a final say no. As you found attraction to Jehovah, because of his qualities, for some reason known to him (Christ) he found my heart and spirit of 12-14 boy acceptable, so he choose me and work on me. Jacquelin he always told me what will be happened in my life, give me warning, if I don’t believed and accepted as a coincident, consequences are visible to you for a rest of your life. That is why when he speaks I do listen regardless of rest of the earth. My congregation is a body of Christ and my spiritual mother is a Jerusalem above which completely disregard believe of J.W in these days.Jacqueline Jehovah put me in front line rather than hide behind the walls of the Watchtower, where the Satan cannot come as they believe and people tickle yours ears. My wife and the rest of the congregations cannot accepted my anointing and partaking, because my dress cote is different, I do not sitting with them in every meeting, do not flipping pages of the bible as they do, do not recognized G.B and finally found meetings discouraging. I do love book Greatest man who ever lived, it is my brother,king and darling.
Jirka, remember the one son of the king that Jehovah said he would not suffer the horrors of the rest of the house because he saw “something Good” in him, and Cyrus before he was born.
So yes, I believe Jehovah hands are not tied and one does not have to be in an organization to be called by him.
Your words could have been written by any one of us that have left the org. The brain cells die when you mindlessly repeat the words in their books. It is an indoctrination that works, it is used in the school systems and even as adults a child remembers the facts. Wrong facts will be remembered also if one does not question or think about the facts taught by the witnesses. They shut you down with the “independent thinking phrase.” You have endured much and the choice that Jehovah has made in you will have it’s work complete. To not have your wife with you will be a trial, for we can upset the household if we believe our husbands are apostate as a witness. The fear is for the children as well.
Funny how most other Christian religions are more secure in their beliefs than the JW. Many homes have the wife and children going to Church and not the father or different churches and the family is not fragmented by it and each hold to their beliefs with joy.
But JW can’t hear any other thoughts because their faith will be shattered if they hear a truth about the governing body. I could tolerate the witnesses before the governing body became a “Golden Calf” and “Elephan”t in the room. You could state your belief without penalty and could ignore any teachings that you couldn’t completely harmonize with the way you saw it in the Bible.
But not anymore, the “Instead of Christ” men, put their foot down with a “my way or the hiway approach”.
I have not told my family of my call and anointing by Jehovah, it would just upset their lives. I don’t see the need as it is very personal with me and my God.
Phil 3:12-16 in part; “Not that I have already received it or am already made perfect, but I am pursuing to see if I may also lay hold’ 13. Brothers I do not yet consider myself as having laid hold on it:’
14. ‘ I am pursuing down toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God by means of Christ Jesus.”
So why need they know for I do not know if I have made it for this call but I will run the race set before me and I will finish it, and may the Lord of all mercies say, “Well done Faithful and discreet slave come on up”. I would be at his service! But at his service in any capacity that he feels I am well suited for. I will dip water out of the ocean with a cup if he told me to do it, in his new order of things. (It would keep me humble I’m sure).
I just want to serve him and don’t really care whether my family know of my heart call from Jehovah and Jesus.
You are welcome here to jump right in on conversations on this site, and welcome to discuss how you see a scripture. You might notice on the weekends it gets a little slow as many go to conventions and meet together for edification and you are welcome to join in on our adobe connect.
This weekend we have conventions going on and here is the link to see conventions: http://hosting.brownbearsw.com/WB/Conventions Take Care and may God Bless you in your walk with him, you are going to make it with his help and we are here for associations also our brother in Christ. Jacqueline
My walk is my trial, for a glory of our Father in the heaven we are suffering, in private we are crying to Him in private we are asking for a hug, help and encouragement. Many of our brothers in the first century been homosexuals, is that means that rest of us has to be homosexuals also? Some of them been burned on stake, some of our brothers been eaten by lions and some of them beheaded, is that means that all of us has to go through the same trials? But what we are feared most is unknown, do we always know where we are going, what frame work He is trying to fit us, off course not His thoughts are too high for us but He never let us down. Many of you are ex J.W’s so let speak language you understand. You heard from platform that before Armageddon all of us will be at home with Christ, wrong they forgot about the Micah 5:6-9.
w81 7/15 24-25 HAR–MAGEDON SURVIVORS CARRY FORWARD TRUE WORSHIP
6 This is just as foretold in Micah 5:6-9: “And he [Jehovah] will certainly bring about deliverance from the Assyrian [the world power of Assyria], when he comes into our land and when he treads upon our territory. And the remaining ones of Jacob must become in the midst of many peoples like dew from Jehovah, like copious showers upon vegetation, that does not hope for man or wait for the sons of earthling man. And the remaining ones of Jacob must become among the nations, in the midst of many peoples, like a lion among the beasts of a forest, like a maned young lion among droves of sheep, which, when it actually passes through, certainly both tramples down and tears in pieces; and there is no deliverer. Your hand will be high above your adversaries, and all enemies of yours will be cut off.”
7 Referring to this, the article “Ruler out of Bethlehem,” in the Watch Tower issue of December 15, 1928, said:
This may be taken as an indication that some of the remnant will be on earth even after Armageddon is fought and will then have some more work to do in the name of the Lord and to his praise and glory. The people, having passed through the great and terrible trouble, will no longer look to men for help nor watch for the sons of men to bring them aid and comfort but will turn to the Lord and gladly hear his Word. Some creatures will have the privilege, as the Lord’s agents and messengers, of bearing the message of peace to the people.
The remnant of the Lord, according to this prophecy, will go on to triumph in the strength of Jehovah. A lion is a monarch among the beasts of the forest, and none can stand before him. The flocks of sheep are without power against a strong and young lion amongst them. Thus the faithful remnant of God is described by the prophet. These shall be amidst the nations of many people strong and vigorous in the name of the Lord to help those that want help and to point out God’s method of destroying those that resist.—Page 376, paragraphs 35, 36.
8 Treating this matter further, the Watch Tower issue of March 15, 1929, page 88, paragraph 41, went on to say the following:
Even the great multitude class must be led to the living fountains of water. (Rev. 7:17) The Lord may use the remnant to thus help them. There will be many others who will be humbled by Armageddon, and they will be ready to hear. After Armageddon some of the remnant may be used by the Lord to bear witness and to aid those who need to be taught, and this they may do before actually being taken into the courts of everlasting glory.
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Preserved for God’s Kingdom of a Thousand Years
2 The crushing of those man-made worldly kingdoms will be the climax of the “great tribulation” that the Messiah Jesus foretold in his prophecy when he answered the question: “When will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?” (Matthew 24:3) Since the inaugurating of his kingdom for a thousand years must be preceded by the crushing of all the present kingdoms and republics of men, Jesus was not exaggerating matters when he called that approaching tribulation a great one, a “great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.” The greatness of that tribulation would be such that human survival of it, the preserving of the human race alive through it, would be a problem. “In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.” (Matthew 24:21, 22) Not just the “chosen ones” would be saved; other “flesh” would also.
lp 138-140 Chapter 12How Far Has Preparation Progressed?
JESUS SELECTS ASSOCIATES FOR RULERSHIP
24 So, the long time period following Christ’s death and his taking of Kingdom power would be occupied in selecting, training, testing, proving and qualifying those who would reign with Christ. The requirements were very strict. According to the Scriptures, God limited the number of this select administrative body under Jesus Christ to 144,000 persons.—Revelation 14:1-3.
6 Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
25 Jehovah trains and disciplines these prospective kings and priests through the many tests they undergo. In this way they become fitted exactly for the place he has for them in his government. (Ephesians 2:10; Romans 8:29) Additionally, because of this perfect training and testing he can be sure of their everlasting loyalty and incorruptness in rulership. It is said of them: “No falsehood was found in their mouths; they are without blemish.” (Revelation 14:5) This means that their devotion and integrity are free from defect. (Compare Romans 7:25.) They are trustworthy in every respect. Jehovah can safely give them immortal heavenly life. (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) But let us now consider how God also had the rest of humankind in mind as he tested and approved those whom he would use as his governmental body.
(As you see brothers we are tested by Christ first, you go through the trials without any explanation, without any reason for it and you cannot explain the power which is taken control over your life. You cannot run, you cannot hide. By this power you are put to the places you don’t want to go and situations you don’t want to be in but you know that you will overcome it. Teach me absolute dependence on this unknown power, when you past the test you understand why it is done this way. Brothers will I go through it if I knew what is waiting for me? Now it’s easier, I know who and why.
Now is the second part; Training, testing, disciplining and qualifying by Jehovah God. Brothers we are here talking about our beautiful loving Father, is it really help to know why, reason for it and responsibility with it? Each of us dread to fail, but we have a helper our High Priest, what a crushing weight on Christ Jesus shoulders.)
(2 Cor. 1:21, 22.) 21 But he who guarantees that YOU and we belong to Christ and he who have anointed us is God. 22 He has also put his seal upon us and has given us the token of what is to come, that is, the spirit, in our hearts.
28 Also, consider God’s wisdom in his manner of selecting the body of 144,000 associate kings and priests. It has not been a waste of time. During the broad scope of the last nineteen centuries these men and women have been chosen from all walks of life, all races and languages and all backgrounds. There is simply no problem that some of them have not faced and overcome. These, too, will be sympathetic and merciful associate rulers, able to help men and women of all kinds.
Hi Jirka, Thanks for the quotes from the w81 7/15 24-25. The November 15th, 2013 study articles is talking about Micah 5:6-9.
Point 6: First there is the assumption that Jehovah witnesses are the “Jacob” spoken of here and from there it weaves a tale. Jacob is natural Jews.
In Micah 5:5 Israel raises up against the Assyrian (northern invaders, horde of Ez 38) seven shepherds (the complete church) and eight princes of men (ancient worthies – eight being the number of circumcision and the sign of a covenant – Gen 17:10-12 – in this case the New Covenant under which the Ancient Worthies are raised.)
Point 7&8: JW believe that only the great crowd consisting of JW will survive Armageddon. So if a remnant of anointed JW survive and the only other survivors are JW, who ar these others that they will bear witness to and aid those that need to be taught? Of course we know there will be nations surviving Armageddon.
Jer. 8:22-23 says that ten men out of all the languages of nations will take hold, yes, they will actually take hold of the skirt of a man who is a Jew, saying: “We will go with you people, for we have heard God is with you people. The ancient worthies will be on the scene.
The witnesses have a problem with ones needing to be taught although the great crowd has washed it’s robe in the blood of the Lamb. (Rev.7:13-17) They are believers already. Others will survive Armageddon, something not taught by JW.
The great crowd are a heavenly group while I see the 144,000 the same way as Jehovah’s witnesses. in short the 144,000 are the kings and priest while the great crowd represent the levites who did temple duties and assisted the priest here are my reasons for believing this, the Greek word in revelation 7 v15 for temple is Naos in the greek scriptures there are two words for temple hieron & naos only the greek word naos is used in the book of revelation and only refers to Gods heavenly sanctuary where only those of priestly descent could enter, at this point ask yourself how does a non israelite great crowd member enter Gods sanctuary ?? other scriptures connecting to this subject are EZEKIEL 44 V 10-15, PSALMS 45 V 13-15, REVELATION 19 V 1, REVELATION 19 V 6-9. when you do a search in the WT library on Ezekiel 44 v 10-15 you will find that there has only been one article on these verses in about 80 years EZEKIEL 44 v 13-14 shows a group of levites who will not become priest which eliminates them from the 144,000 and yet they still serve in Gods sanctuary (NAOS) then verse 15 shows a group who never went astray the 144,000. keep in mind Ezekiel’s temple vision is a vision of the millennium temple its future with two groups in the temple sanctuary. now to PSALMS 45 v 13-15 this is a picture of the marriage of the lamb notice that there are two groups the bride and her virgin companions who both enter the temple sanctuary naos. they are both in the same location.
Point 9: Yes, a tribulation like non other, for never has God stepped in to save the world from extension. It has never gotten to the point of self annihilation before, that was not the case even in Noah’s day. They were eating and drinking and having a good time when angels ruled the world.
Most of the time the witnesses think the song is about them, when it mentions Israel doing something good but it is the same Israel when it mentions their badness in the same sentence but they say that is Christendom or nominal Christianity. Building on the wrong premise will give them faulty answers and they have to flip flop and change so many times. Blue is blue but when you get closer you see it more clearly and the details but it never changes from the color blue.
Knowing what has been taught by Jehovah witnesses depends on the year you became one but the Bible never changes thank God for that.
Take Care Jirka.
Jacqueline;I’m the man whom Christ selected outside of any spiritual organization, reason is very simple it is easier to choose simple man as Peter, where you not need undo the thought’s of men and there traditions. Yours scriptures knowledge is very high and that is why you have problem in the organization.Unfortunately these so call elders have to look as a spiritual shepherds and they been seeing you as a op-poser to them.Jacqueline I been born and grow up in Czechoslovakia under communism where spirituality wasn’t popular, so I have a privilege to know spoken word also maybe that’s why I do not developed knowledge of the scriptures on a scale to be recognized as a anointed person of spiritual organization where the only bible is a word of God. I was hoping that some one will be in the similar position as I, to them the encouragement make sance.
Thank you
Ahhhh Jirka, you see I believe that Jehovah and Jesus can work with us on an individual level. I believe in a personal relationship with God. My parents had at any given time 9 children living at home, they were able to deal with each of us on an individual level and we felt close as if we were the only one and still also a part of the whole family. GOD is much better and interact thru his spirit. The Holy Spirit will use a person to help if they are willing and able. As a witness there was a herd mentality which hindered the Spirit. Many sins of omission came about because the organization spoke against certain ones and you often couldn’t help a child in distress such as a pedophile victim because the governing body decreed not to mention and distance yourself from the family.
I was not brain dead and yes, the org would be frustrated by ones that had thought patterns sharpened by studying and Holy Spirit.
I have read other holy writings besides the Bible. Often it gave me greater insight into the culture of the time and additional aspects of the situation such as how a person living in Bible times would have viewed a matter thus causing the bible writer to write a certain way. I read other books, in fact “Crisis of Conscience” “In search of Christian Freedom” “Out of the Cocoon” and various books on mind control and how to break free and how to deal with ones affected by it.
Czechoslovakia, you have stories to tell. You came out of it in tack spiritually, and you can thank God for that. You are a perfect example of God dealing with persons on a personal leve. and not needing an organization.
The Watchtower society in New York thought and claimed they were feeding the brothers under Communism but we found out that was not true at all. Those brothers didn’t get that literature it was intercepted and magazines with hilarious changes would get thru.
The Watchtower society had no faith in God and the Holy Spirit’s ability to deal with his people no matter where they are, even isolated in communist lands or prisons. They believe that the ark is an organization and not the Saving Power of Christ. In fact the GB and the org is them “Instead of Christ”. They say they have begun to rule already as the earthly part of Jesus reign, without the rest of the bride.
I don’t understand your statement “recognized as a anointed person of spiritual organization where the only bible is a word of God.” Do you believe that the bible is the word of God and has final say in matters pertaining to Jesus Christ and the Ransom? Explain if you will please so I can understand you.
I believe the Bible is Christ revealed and the grand plan of the ages revealed to man to help him to understand Christ and His saving power and redemption of fallen man, Adam and his children.
I accept other holy writings for their information value but not as part of the Canon. I believe perhaps Mary, Thomas and some of the other apostles probably wrote their accounts of being with Jesus. But the gospels were limited to inclusion of only 4 and the ones most accepted. I believe Jesus (who rules the congregations) used the Spirit to guide the choosing of what was needed to make an informed consent and decision in a spiritual man’s walk with God. In Our Redeemer, Jacqueline
We have a beautiful pearl, unfortunately some of us let this pearl go for a fear of rejection, disfellowshipping and other reasons. This pearl is faith in our Father Jehovah and our brother,elder,redeemer,Christ Jesus,who open the door for us.Christ been saying, when you loose your mother,father for my sake I will be your mother and the father to you, than what we lost it? My little friend we are not a first who are drinking this cup, Christ Jesus was first and we are not better than him or are we? There is a difference between Christ and us his cup finished after 3 years, we are still going.
We need to add a “Like Button” Jirka. Would you tell us your experiences in your walk? Others benefit when they see that we share the same trials of faith. Jacqueline
What a relief it is ,I’m sure to have been able to visit without arguing about dogma.The restless,turbulent waters in those places calmed down enough for you to have normal family reunions.Thank the Lord.
Wow,Brothers,great food for thought,thanks.At any rate ,I’m working again,a night shift,and my computer’s not hooking up,(borrowing my son’s tonight to get a quick glance at what’s been posted)The main thing I’m happy about is that there is so much “carrion” on the net to feed on for an old buzzard like me.I really do enjoy what you and many others are posting.Thanks for all the concerted research and interest. May the Lord get it sorted into something more palatable for the simple of mind like myself.Thanks,brothers.Love you all.
John I have a story to tell. I have visted all my relatives both in the truth and non witnesses. (Not every relative). It can’t be told in this open forum, but I will share at the internet study tonight. I thank all of you for your support last week when I was visiting a KH>
Hi John S.
You might check out Mtt.24:28 in other Bible versions where they describe the “eagles” as vultures. I am inclined to agree with “vultures”,as Eagles don’t gather. The are solitary predators who hunt alone or with their immediate family. They are almost never seen with any more than a mate or a fledgling offspring, however almost always alone, never as a flock. On the other hand,vultures are scavengers that gather in groups around a carcass.
This understanding may make a large difference in how one understand the scripture. “Eagles” imply wisdom, farsightedness, and / or mostly noble qualities, whereas vultures are opportunistic scavengers viewed with disdain.
I agree with you that anointed ones should somehow have a way to exchange scriptural insights with one another. (Iron sharpens iron)
I have had some experience with setting up web sites. If I can
be of any help to you in your efforts, let me know.
Incidentally, I just posted a sneak preview of a fairly extensive book I have written about the Bible in our day.
If you care to take a peek at it, here is a link which should give you a fair idea of who I am and whether you might afford me any credibility.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/69587165/IT-IS-WRITTEN
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I am not an expert on vultures and eagles, but I think that probably eagles, not vultures are referred to in Matt 24:28.
It seems to be a mischaracterization to say that eagles will not gather around a dead carcass. As long as that carcass is a fresh kill, they will.
This link: http://www.seaworld.org/animal-info/animal-bytes/animalia/eumetazoa/coelomates/deuterostomes/chordata/craniata/aves/falconiformes/bald-eagle.htm
says “Prefers fish swimming close to the water’s surface; also feeds on small mammals, waterfowl, wading birds, and dead animal matter (carrion)”
This link: http://www.blueplanetbiomes.org/prairie_animal_page.htm
says, ” The Bald Eagle prefers to eat dead animals”
This link: http://www.kidcyber.com.au/topics/wedgie.htm
says, “Working together, a group of eagles can attack and kill animals”
Matt 24:28 may have a double meaning, the carcass being the Jewish State destroyed by the Roman armies, represented by the Eagle. In the Gospel Harvest, the picture would be that the carcass represents Truth and the Eagles (discerning ones) are gathered around it.
Jesus may in part be drawing on the Job account which is talking about eagles.
Job 39: 27 “Is it at your command that the eagle mounts up And makes his nest on high?
28 “On the cliff he dwells and lodges, Upon the rocky crag, an inaccessible place.
29 “From there he spies out food; His eyes see it from afar.
30 “His young ones also suck up blood; And where the slain are, there is he.” (NASV)
ADAM CLARKE’S COMMENTARY
There will the eagles The Roman armies, called so partly from their strength and fierceness, and partly from the figure of these animals which was always wrought on their ensigns, or even in brass, placed on the tops of their ensign-staves. It is remarkable that the Roman fury pursued these wretched men wheresoever they were found. They were a dead carcass doomed to be devoured; and the Roman eagles were the commissioned devourers. See the pitiful account in Josephus, WAR, b. vii. c. 2, 3, 6, 9, 10, and 11.
Question for pearldoxsey55:”Wherever the carcass is,there the Eagles will be gathered together.”(Matt.24:28) What in your opinion is the meaning and time frame for fulfilling this prophecy.And how could I be certain to respond to scriptural views posted on your site that has to do with this subject.You had posted pearl14400…but,I’m not able to pull it up.I also tried to get on as a friend to your site;listed above,but I don’t think my comments are getting through.I thought we could get some info exchanged here so other anointed ones can respond to inquiries concerning them.I am currently setting up a blog:”Anointed Eagles Unite”,but it is a slow process.I will be starting a verse -by-verse discussion of the Gospel of John.
Put it public John and it will get readers. I have a family blog yhere, but it is private and by invitation only. Really easy. Pearl has something like it and people come to it.
I thankyou for the suggestion,and will try to set up “antdchrstnsunite”,,Anointed Christians Unite.I will tell my stories there and post what the Gospel is in the simplest terms and what anointing is.Thankyou for the help.
Why don’t you vent on http://WWW.BLOGGER.COM ? You might enjoy it more. And there is a Bible Student Forum at http://www.biblestudents.net/forum/index.php