Welcome all Anointed Jehovah’s Witnesses and those who would like to talk with you!
Anointed Talk is a place for the Anointed of Jehovah’s Witnesses to talk to each other and for others of us to get a chance to talk to you. And why not? We have been told that no one else is listening to you. Is this true? The The Watchtower, 5/15/00, p. 11 says, “anointed Witnesses of Jehovah have been blessed with insight, enabling them to understand…” (See complete quote below). Yet to what avail is this special insight? Does the Governing Body care what the Anointed have to say? Do they ask for the opinion and spiritual insight of the anointed? Sadly, we are getting reports from Anointed JWs, indicating they are being disrespected, ridiculed and made fun of. They tell us that they are even being discouraged from partaking of the memorial. Is it true that the elders and others just don’t believe that those who claim they are anointed really are? That they do not respect insights of those claiming to be anointed? Are the anointed who express a different point of view labeled an Apostate? Is what we are hearing true? Is this the norm or just unusual examples coming our way?
Why doesn’t the Governing Body consult the anointed? Why aren’t they interested in their opinion? Why is the Watchtower writing department adding more writers that are not anointed? Are the Anointed a perceived threat to the power structure that must be diminished? After all, shouldn’t JWs being looking to the anointed for spiritual guidance as opposed to Elders, Circuit Overseers and District Overseers? Is the JW power structure trying to minimize and belittle their influence? Is this really all just about power and who is in control?
We are not trying to incite the Anointed to rise up and rebel and fight the system. The Lord’s anointed are a humble and meek people. Yet we understand that if anyone expresses a difference of opinion, whether anointed or not, they are in danger of being labeled an apostate. So, how then can the anointed be in any position to provide spiritual insights. If it is only to tell everyone else to follow the organization, then couldn’t any JW member do that? So then of what value are the anointed in the JW Organization? It only seems to make sense that elders and leaders in the JW organization would desire, in humility, to look to the anointed for spiritual guidance.
What do you think? What is really going on. Let us know what you think. This is a place to talk. We want to hear from everyone, but especially from the anointed ones, whether presently JWs or whether you have been driven out of the organization. Please enlighten us and tell us the truth of what is happening. Here you can talk to each other and help each other out.
Full quote: “Daniel 12:4 states: “As for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of the end. Many will rove about, and the true knowledge will become abundant.” Much of what Daniel wrote was made secret and sealed up to human understanding for centuries. But what about today?
6 In this time of the end, many faithful Christians have ‘roved about’ in the pages of God’s Word, the Bible. The result? With Jehovah’s blessing on their efforts, true knowledge has become abundant. For instance, anointed Witnesses of Jehovah have been blessed with insight, enabling them to understand that Jesus Christ became heavenly King in the year 1914. In keeping with the apostle’s words recorded at 2 Peter 1:19-21, such anointed ones and their loyal companions are ‘paying attention to the prophetic word’ and are absolutely certain that this is the time of the end.” – “The Watchtower, 5/15/00, p. 11.
Jacqueline
From all walks of life He is gathering us to His house.There been witnesses under ground in Prague and elsewhere but reason why he not want me to contact them is simple; can you imagine some one told you that that Jehovah do not deal with people on personal basis, if your own experience saying otherwise. He knew I can make more damage, plus I do not give a dam at that time about religion, I just been trying to worked out the power which has a control over my life at that time. I know that I wasn’t bad person even others been saying so but soon you involve yourself with something at work or other, some one pull rug under you and come to the disaster.It is like ant is climbing mountain and when you are nearly there ges what.When it is happen once, twice or even three times, you can get over it and saying to yourself shit happen but in continue sly manner you start think why should I climb, when I can walk around. Wrong choice the power will hit you so hard and put you on the start to climb again. When this circulation go around couple of times, you give up and try to found another way.My mother was cleaver lady and I love her very much was thinking she can help, explain best I can and she put me in the mental hospital (schizophrenia). Please do not think that I been very strong, crying many times until I sleep, not because of pain, but because I wasn’t able to worked out what is going on. In Prague we have planetarium and the time table on earth, I do remember when I reached Christ era I so his figure on the cross my thoughts been you know how I fell. One thing been beneficial for me, always overcome the problem. Please forgive me the power been talking to me through dreams and still do. To love Jehovah we have to hurt Him so we ca later prisiate the rensome, of course at that time I have no any idea about that. I have a girlfriend at that time and I know that what ever the power says it was come to be. So I start to using the power to my ego and advantage, wrong choice the power spin my life so badly that I forgot who am I figuratively speaking I can put picture in your head (Nebuchadnezzar eating grass for seven years)lost girlfriend, steel patrol, lost job, steel carrots for food ended in the jail lost parents don’t won’t nothing to do with me not a pretty picture. Pay for at in big, come to seances and power come back to me, still do not know nothing but in the jail I found witnesses, because they refuse join army, that was first contact with the bible. When I shake my self and try to live normal life power telling me that in the three days I will loose my fingers, been around 25 or 26 years old what aloud of s..t. Jacqueline do you remember I wrote the visible consequences stay with you, of course it was exactly hapend,some people been thinking as self inflected. I don’t know any one who put his hand in circular saw for a fun of it or as a some kind of rush. When me my 1st wife and 2 girls run from Czechoslovakia to the Austria and the to Australia I start understand the power and reason for all of these thinks. And mostly I find name of my beautiful Father Jehovah. My 1st wife wasn’t religious person at all and after 14 years Satan crack her and that was end. Married J.W lady and you know the story, 15/10 I will walk away from the house and will live in the motor-home. I hope it will be beneficial to others I don’t want this happen to anyone bu t if you have to go through it don’t give up. Now when Jehovah is speaking I do listen I have visual reminder if you do not.
Thank you Jirka
Jacqueline my dear sister, what can I say about your spiritual beauty and all you brothers or sisters, the comments are really from the heart and hope more witnesses found home here as well.
Thank you all.
Jirka we really appreciate your sincerity and how you accept your circumstances. It became very difficult for me to remain in the Kingdom Hall as I spoke out about the governing body becoming a Golden Calf, and their self appointment as the faithful and discreet slave class. When really Jesus asked a question but didn’t answer but indicated only he would do the appointing not men or self appoint. That’s why I invited you to continue here for spiritual support where you can talk from your heart. You must be able to say what you feel the scriptures mean and the spirit moves you to say. I hope and pray that all goes well for the anointed brothers of Christ that have to deal with those that don’t understand what Jesus is doing now, calling out Christians for the heavens if they will accept the invitation. But few will find this way which is difficult yet joyful and broad the road has gotten since Adam and many walk it. But the beauty is when Christ began restitution of all things and everyone has the opportunity to harmonize with our creator.
Take Care, Jacqueline
Ps: I read your reply to Hank after I wrote mine. I want to know more about your walk. You say you are not a baptized witness? Tell us your story please. There are over 2500 people that visit this site per month and about 200 a day and they may get encouraged. Please give us detail, length does not matter. Thank you
Hi Hank!
Don’t you think that Jehovah God has a coffee in the morning and watching what is happened on this website and saying, that what I meant, speaking your mind, open your heart and sharpen your knowledge. Unfortunately Hank that is not happen in the kingdom hall, they have to be united with their thought’s as they have provided provision by GB. You meant Jan Hus, he was burned on stake in 1415 by Catholics, for spiritual freedom from scriptures, rather the thoughts and other b…..t from man. Hank some time I do go to the kingdom hall, not for buildup, but for understanding where my wife, others reasoning come from and why they will need 1000years if they have their own organization and GB? My wife been saying; She knew that the all earth is under Satan’s rule but they’re no part of the world and have fully united spiritual inside with anointed once of organization. Hank I have never been member of any spiritual organization on earth only organization I know and belongs is Jerusalem above, not a baptized witness or other. You looked to Peter from different angle he is like me, before Jehovah finished to talk about the task I’m already running with it,thanks God he can correcting me on the way. Then you have others who are thinking about it and have a fear to move.Hank I have a dread to fail also, but if the dread take over,you will start to have a doubts and Satan got you. Hank I been preaching alone for some years I too want to talk to the people about our God Jehovah and his kingdom and not be shame of it but the organization been shame of me and that is why they stop me. But as you know Jehovah has about 10.000000 witnesses so they can glorifying Him from theirs lips. Follow the leading men in the congregation as they take responsibility over your sole and as they introduced this god news to you.Hank as to the royal domestic; Before great crowd come on picture all baptized one been part of heavenly class.When the baby (young or old need spiritual milk) and spiritually growing up, congregation will taking care of it. The goal is a same Chanel is same, after maturity Jehovah’s anointing taking over and the man is a part of congregation Body of Christ and is no more domestic in the earthly congregation as anointing is teaching him of the will for him.(1 John 2:26,27) Thank you: Jirka
Jirka;
I hope you continue to go to the kingdom hall, and I hope you do partake. I agree, you should not hide it. But I have never met an elder who complained that someone partakes. Heed the Bible’s message. Eccl 7:9,”Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones.”
I used to get hurt real easily, until I learned that. Now you can call me anything you want. That wisdom saves me great pain everytime.
Lets see some scriptures about the lingdom come from you. Positive or life saving warnings. Let me pick your brain now, for you know, near the end of the up and coming great ribulation, all living faithful anointed will be taken up and as a group will be appointed over all Jesus belongings.
Hank
Hank that is not the experience of most that partake in the last thirty years. The elders will speak with you, it has happened many times if not every time. They are told to. They also decide if they will turn in the number counting you as a partaker. The society has written that most partaking in latter days are mentally ill. If you have been in forty years you should know that. Eccl 7:9 I feel is miss directed at those that partake in the Kingdom Halls, they are not stupid for dealing with the situation. They are not hurrying when they speak up and out. They are the same as the so called “GB” who also claim to be anointed. They are of the same body. Remember when Paul call Peter out for his deception. Was Paul wrong? Didn’t Peter walk and talk with Jesus? He was playing the hypocrite and causing others spiritual harm by not being with the Gentile brothers when Jewish brothers came to town. Jirka is probably getting a workout over his partaking.
One more point: There is a thread and article about the faithful and discreet slave, as a suggestion you might want to pose that question to Jirka about that. Also it just might have been answered already. Just to keep on point and on subject. Thank you, Jacqueline
Thank you for your comment Jirka;
You words Run to the leading man. I will just say I believe Jesus when he says he will apoint a discreet slave to feed the domestics. It would have been no different then when Jehovah parted the waters and a man named Noah said go quickly through the parted waters. For eternity for those who live we will all be in subjection to Jehovah God. 1 Cor 15:27,28; 1 Cor 11:3.
And Revelation 20:6 says,”but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years.”
Did Jehovah do a bad thing when he had Moses guide them? Of coarse not. Did Jehovah do a bad thing when he crowned his Son? Of coarse not. Did Jehovah do a bad thing at the tranfiguration when he instucted people to LISTEN to His Son? Of coarse not. And what about Jehovah’s inspired word at Heb 13:7,17 and 24? “taking the lead among you.” True you being like Peter makes it hard to do that. But remember Peter was corrected by Paul, let alone Jesus on more than one ocassion.
Please give my warm theocratic greeting to your wife. My grandmother came from Chechlasovakia. Last name started with a K, and when I find it I will give it to you.
Do you remember the article on somewhere I believe somewhere between 1300-1650 C.E. when in your country there were some reigionist who actually went preching. My cd doedn’t work right not.
Hank
Hank, Hebrews 1:1-4 reveals, God spoke on many occasions to our forefathers (Jews) by means of the prophets, has at the end of the days spoken to us by means of a SON. We are not under the law of the governing body. We are under the law of Christ and all brothers work harmoniously together. No more prophets we have the two witnesses now. The old and the new testaments.
The entire book of Acts shows how this was done in the first century. The Holy Spirit can reveal and bind persons of like faith without an organization with a president and other bodies as head over them all. Thinking for them all and telling them what the scriptures say.
When 7 million people all think the exact same thing about a given scripture it is usually because only one or a few are thinking. The others are followers of men. Followers of Christ think and move with the spirit.
One thing I have come to realize as I diligently attend as many conventions of the Bible Students to see this in action. I have not been told! It is possible for others to have thoughts on scriptures and to have a personal relationship with God and Jesus and not be out of harmony with each other.
Jesus often asked his apostles “What do you think”?”Who do you say I am”?
Hank the Governing body is becoming a golden calf for Jehovah’s people. But they still will have the same opportunity during millennium to learn the truth about God’s will for mankind. It will be more of an adjustment however at first when they are accustomed to being told what to do and not have had an original thought for themselves in 20,30,40 or in my case 61 years they ruled my thought processes. Jacqueline
John red again your article, it is not our call to tell who should partake or not. all those who’s got the token on what is to come and the spirit in their heart,they know and that what is important, for some of us it is hard to believe that Jehovah’s glory com on us in the reflection of our mother Jerusalem above. My view of baptism by water in the case of anointed once is little bit different.
it is true that Christ cleaning his congregation by water (scriptures) so his congregation is without marks. But as Cornelius been baptized by holy spirit without water it is show that it is not impossible. I too have conversation with elder on the subject, they just not get it or they afraid of theirs positions. John as we are part of the same body (congregation body of Christ) automatically we are baptized in his water baptism also. Reason why Christ not baptized his disciples was that this was his Father job and the choice, he been praying all night for it. Concerning of other sheep they too have wonderful promise from our Father. John as remnant of the little flock, we do not know if scriptures are the way to go or spoken word. Christ been saying how can I talk to you about heavenly thinks if you do not understand the earthly thinks. We already have new heavens, now we are trained by Jehovah to help with the new earth.
Dear Jacqueline!
I do respect your memorial celebration in privet it is OK by me, you don’t want stare up trouble on memorial night. When our king walk earth he been saying; I do not come to bring peace to the earth but divided the earth, put son against father, mother against daughter and so and so. We have love among are self, you pationately showing me that I’m not alone and never will. How you can wake up those unfortunately one in the kingdom halls if we will be hiding. Jacqueline it is not on my part to make statement but it is still your Father’s house, because of account of couple of good witnesses.I will not give the elders satisfaction that, under heavy wait of quilt I stop partaking and move congregation. Later time they will say there was one who always believe in his God Jehovah and he not been part of us.If Jehovah God will spit you out as a vomit you will not be able to partake, He will not allowed. And if some one has a problem with it, they can complain to Jehovah! I do apologies if in some way I been harsh.
Jirka no you are not being harsh, I partake with the Bible Students when I am in the area but there are times when I am not and it is unavoidable. I might have my lodging with a JW relative.
Jirka, I don’t go to the kingdom hall. The “Ask Jacqueline tab” is my story, so there is not point that I would partake with them although this year I went to the memorial because my grandson wanted me to sit with him.
Our memorial was a few days before and I saw no need to make a spectacle of myself by partaking. It is a holy private matter with me. I would never tell a soul that I am of the anointed in my family or everyday life. I have no desire to lord over them, what is the purpose of telling them? Would I be trying to say you must listen to me, I am anointed. I loath such arrogance. Anointing and the partaking should not be for me an issue of discussion, it gives me no more clout than my brother. I am running to do whatever Jesus wants me to do. If he decides I am better fitted for the Great Crowd, or to live here on paradise earth and do the work he has given to me, I will say bring it on, LET’S DO THIS!!! Me a coward no I like to think of me as being merciful and thinking of my family more than myself. I love them, and wish them no discomfort.
A prophet is never accepted in his home territory, do you believe that? I do. I also have great faith in the Holy Spirit of God to direct and call out ones now. My life and conduct will speak to my being a follower of Christ, I don’t have to say a thing, just live it. I just wanted to make my position clear. Sincerely Jacqueline
Hi Hank!
Read your comment 3 times, usually when man of society is talking to me I’m on guard but your comment is fruitful. My wife is about 35 years in the truth, so she can understand the chain of three as well as I do. Sorry do not get it FS if the S = Satan then OK and you’re right. Hank I have more qualities of Peter, no pations but strong endurance. As we are closer to great tribulation and we are close to the final sealing the integrity to Jehovah God come first. If you as a man have not established personal relationship with Jehovah God up to this time and run to the leading man in the congregation I do feel pity. Since all men are imperfect and unable to measure up perfectly to God’s standards, it is evident that their integrity does not mean perfection of action or of speech, but as the scriptures show it means wholeness or completeness of heart devotion. Integrity is embraced in the commandment Jesus singled out as the greatest of all—loving Jehovah God with one’s whole heart, mind, soul, and strength. (Mt 22:36-38)
Thank you jirka.
To Jirka;
I have been a JWs for over forty years. I am not anointed. I have no problem with anyone who does. I hope you won’t let being offended by others stumble you. Also Paul wrote the anointed ones these words,”But those who marry will have pain and grief in this bodily life, and my aim is to spare you.” 1 Cor 7:28 NEB
So how can you take those negatives and turn them positive?
Number, you, your wife and Jehovah. A three cord rope is tough to break. But thats what Satan wants. And Satan has made this world hard for families. With the design to take anointed ones down with him.
As a anointed I am sure you have forgiven everyone of their wrongs done to you. But when you wake up the next day with that total forgiveness, you two may get into an argument. And you go to bed you have forgiven. This will continue till you pass the vail.
Number two, the Bible taught me, one who is easily offrned is stupid. It helped me, but sometimes I relaspe to stupidity and get offended. After praying and meditating I see my error.
Three, continue serving Jehovah. Many will do this more than you, and others will do that more than you, and the FS has much more wieghty things to do. But you are chosen by Jehovah. And those enduring qualities are what he he shaping and making for you, because you will rule with Christ. Rev 20:4,6.
Hank
Hank – I am glad that as a Jehovah’s Witness you feel comfortable talking with us on this website. It is clear that over the years you have learned from the scriptures and experience and have some wise advise.
Dear Jacqueline.
It would be easier for married couple, when man choose his wife and wife choose her husband, but when Jehovah is involved in that choice and tell women, who hers husband is, that she not has to worried, because this man will not disappoint him and he will deal with him as her husband, choice is little bit different here. To me it is natural to follow spoken word even when when it is spoken by my wife, we are one. Jacqueline Jehovah told me that she will hurt me like I never been hurt before, but I have to go through it. Unless the word of Jehovah for filled the task, cannot come back to him. It is not as much about my pain, but the rejection of my Father’s words, that’s what hurts too much. If I will be man of earthly class I will dominate my women, but as I’m man of heavenly class I cannot dominate my wife, because Jehovah God do not dominate me. Before I start partake the emblems I been holding back, because I don’t want people make mockery of it in Jehovah’s eyes. Later I realized that it has nothing to much to do with my anointing, rather for people have a faith in Jehovah, because as God, creator of all thinks, has the right to choose whom He like. He is given us free will and spirit in are hearts.
Hi Jirka comforting to hear you respect your wife and are not domineering as this may help her to be tolerant of you also. Some don’t believe in a personal anointing some do. But with me this is private between me and my father. If with my family during Memorial time I have adobe connect and gone into the privacy of my room as they need not know for fear they misunderstand and think that I am making a statement. That is what I saw as a witness sometimes, one brother made sure everybody knew he was anointed and it became a stench in the nostril of some. It was as if he was not aware that the heavenly call was open for others. It taught me a valuable lesson. If I was around witnesses now I would partake at home not at the kingdom hall, many do that already so as not to cause an uproar. It puts the interest of others over their right to partake with the group. It is a private issue. So maybe that may help even if you go underground with it. You are welcome to adobe connect with us next year and we will provide a recorded talk for those to partake that are away from the brothers. Take Care Jirka and probably some of the other brothers will have some words to say also. Your brother in Christ, Jacqueline