Welcome all Anointed Jehovah’s Witnesses and those who would like to talk with you!
Anointed Talk is a place for the Anointed of Jehovah’s Witnesses to talk to each other and for others of us to get a chance to talk to you. And why not? We have been told that no one else is listening to you. Is this true? The The Watchtower, 5/15/00, p. 11 says, “anointed Witnesses of Jehovah have been blessed with insight, enabling them to understand…” (See complete quote below). Yet to what avail is this special insight? Does the Governing Body care what the Anointed have to say? Do they ask for the opinion and spiritual insight of the anointed? Sadly, we are getting reports from Anointed JWs, indicating they are being disrespected, ridiculed and made fun of. They tell us that they are even being discouraged from partaking of the memorial. Is it true that the elders and others just don’t believe that those who claim they are anointed really are? That they do not respect insights of those claiming to be anointed? Are the anointed who express a different point of view labeled an Apostate? Is what we are hearing true? Is this the norm or just unusual examples coming our way?
Why doesn’t the Governing Body consult the anointed? Why aren’t they interested in their opinion? Why is the Watchtower writing department adding more writers that are not anointed? Are the Anointed a perceived threat to the power structure that must be diminished? After all, shouldn’t JWs being looking to the anointed for spiritual guidance as opposed to Elders, Circuit Overseers and District Overseers? Is the JW power structure trying to minimize and belittle their influence? Is this really all just about power and who is in control?
We are not trying to incite the Anointed to rise up and rebel and fight the system. The Lord’s anointed are a humble and meek people. Yet we understand that if anyone expresses a difference of opinion, whether anointed or not, they are in danger of being labeled an apostate. So, how then can the anointed be in any position to provide spiritual insights. If it is only to tell everyone else to follow the organization, then couldn’t any JW member do that? So then of what value are the anointed in the JW Organization? It only seems to make sense that elders and leaders in the JW organization would desire, in humility, to look to the anointed for spiritual guidance.
What do you think? What is really going on. Let us know what you think. This is a place to talk. We want to hear from everyone, but especially from the anointed ones, whether presently JWs or whether you have been driven out of the organization. Please enlighten us and tell us the truth of what is happening. Here you can talk to each other and help each other out.
Full quote: “Daniel 12:4 states: “As for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of the end. Many will rove about, and the true knowledge will become abundant.” Much of what Daniel wrote was made secret and sealed up to human understanding for centuries. But what about today?
6 In this time of the end, many faithful Christians have ‘roved about’ in the pages of God’s Word, the Bible. The result? With Jehovah’s blessing on their efforts, true knowledge has become abundant. For instance, anointed Witnesses of Jehovah have been blessed with insight, enabling them to understand that Jesus Christ became heavenly King in the year 1914. In keeping with the apostle’s words recorded at 2 Peter 1:19-21, such anointed ones and their loyal companions are ‘paying attention to the prophetic word’ and are absolutely certain that this is the time of the end.” – “The Watchtower, 5/15/00, p. 11.
@arimatthewdavies I appreciate your candid evaluation. I would say here lets delve into the scriptures even more now. There are better Unitarian camps out there that you would be happy with, in our faith(JW) you had your mediator taken away along with being ostracized out of the New Covenant agreement. How do you feel about that?
OK now that the GB has said that they are the f.d.s themselves I can openly chew on their thick hides! OK were is my food you have neglected me since the day that you tricked me into being baptised into Jehovah’s witnesses! I waited and waited but the promised baptism from the spirit never came while in the kingdonhall..it took 23 years and a bible church out. in the boondocks to finally get that which you said was dead! and I’m mad about that with you f.d.s governing body! you really wasted a lot of time that I could have used to better myself and at lest trickle down some good to my fellowman! and that word anointed makes me see red! I was anointed traditionaly one day as I knelt praying the elders of the country church followed the laying on of hands bid me to ask of Jehovah for the holy spirit! and OK I’m officialy scripturely anointed…and I am not not you leader or any special emissary with special words or special powers! nor will I say follow me to Jesus! get up your own self now now before some man come to fool you into following his way.get yourself up in front of Jehovah’s site bow in prayer in Jesus name and walk away free forever from the kingship of men! that is what its all about having the same care one for the other! what part of that scripture are you missing? same care! if I’m your governing body were is the holy spirit or Jesus? is he more in you than he is in me? no my brothers and sister’s that’s not gods plan now and it never was! you get baptised in water then you call on the name of Jesus to get remission from sin then you get a measure of power from the holy spirit for ministry…… nothing else no other way no kingdomhall seminary wbts church or elder…after you get the big three I just mentioned you join up with others for fellowship! and hey governing body! tell your people if they are at that kingdom hall more than they are out in the bussiness of encourageing men to Jesus…then your spending way too much time at the supper trough! OK enough said.
we as servants of the True God,
Jehova, are aware that new scrolls will open for instruction of earthly subjects & resurrected ones,
Q: who will write these – the “other sheep” (during the thousand yr. reign?
It would not seem plausible; for his anointed prophets
have the obligations already to preach his word in due season.
how could true prophecy end during early century Christianity- if the book of Revelations speaks of them & the fact that NEW SCROLLS would be opened?!
altho we are aware prophecy WILL at some point be done away with, ..tho it doesn’t mention as to “when”
be ASSURED the WORDS OF JEHOVA WILL PROVE JUST AS VALID > as HE, HIMSELF decidedly speaks to the future generations thru a few VERY rare individuals with
this commission
the NEW scrolls MUST be written at some point BEFORE the conclusion of this wicked system !
It stands to reason that the Word of JEHOVA & our Christ will will prove as ALIVE;
& offer their viewpoint as to how this generation will endeavor succeeding without direction of holy spirit – & ultimately fail-
there are definite hints as to prophets in our time written in Rev. ch. 11 referring to also Zech. ch 4, & 5 (considering the “flying scrolls” (very large & 2 sided) it is a curse that covers the entirety of our globe.
speaking of the deepest of prophecy, look at the beginning of 2009 … what have we contended with but world chaos with super disasters one after another
( A WAKE UP CALL> to Christendom & those swearing falsely- & continuing on thru the conclusion of the nearing great tribulation?)
there are many wonderful prophecies in which to delight those of the new earthly kingdom by which Jehova & our LORD CHRIST expresses – & the deepest
of intimacy
(an opening of the trees of knowledge & life 🙂
please do not leave negative or bashing comments
I’m one who’s no longer with the congregations for being deeply grieved thru years of ostracism & abusive comments (& also suffered my children) as I am one of Jehova’s anointed
Anonymous welcome and we appreciate your sincere comments. We do have a lot to look forward too when the new scrolls content is revealed to us. I am sorry to hear you have had trials. But you are welcome here. There are many of JW realizing that they are of the body of Christ. It seems they are able to discern that it is the call going out since Jesus. Having your children suffer is indeed distressing.
We would love to hear your experiences. How did you find the site? Are your children still witnesses? Feel free to comment on this site on any subject or in answer to another commenter. We have thousands visiting this site per month and something you might say could help them. Again welcome! In Christ. Jacqueline
thank u for your warm invite to this site, I have been VERY isolated, & quite depressed, & perhaps it is thru Jehova’s love to ensure I no longer feel alone in this situation, I HAVE SO MUCH TO SHARE! the magnificent scriptural insight , that Jehova blesses his anointed & to up-build the congregation!
unfortunately it is when others’ insist on grieving the spirit of Jah given to anointed ones& viewing it as “misplaced” that’s what happen to me.
Anonymous, the weak and foolish from a human standpoint are sometimes best at recognizing the Holy Spirit at work in their lives. Men in high stations of self appointed prestige often can’t be useful at doing Jehovah’s will as they have their agenda. To say you are anointed as a witness invites ridicule and abuse. When you comment using the scriptures as support and it goes against what the organization teaches, they try to make you think you are crazy.
You see the GB has said they talk directly to Jehovah and he only to them. Even stating that the 24 elders represented deceased anointed and they relay info to them only, so how can a person disagree with them. Jesus is out of the equation altogether.
Please share here, there is a large non speaking audience reading. Could you tell us your experience on this link and other anointed will be able to converse. When you say isolated, is it shunning or you live isolated? Jacqueline
please note Jacqueline, that I am not one to speak in abusive terms abt the teachings of Jehova or his organization, only
it appears that the wicked one has viciously attacked his anointed & sometimes thru congregation members >
it stands to reason Satan wants to break apart the worship that Christ established >
we are wise to this now!
I am a victim of such. having been thru years of intense ostracism >
very cruel things have been said to me,
life has been an incredibly difficult journey for many of us . great hardships & tragedy , one after another. I truly needed the friends for support & was shunned.
I found comfort in other anointed ones, & our thought process on serving Jehova was exacting!
& HOPE i CAN again find that here
please read, & PRAY FOR DISCERNMENT (would love to share MUCH MORE if welcomed by this group among you)
MAY WE EACH EXTOL THE NAME OF JEHOVA OUR FATHER.!
FOR HE IS ONE TO PROCURE THE WELL BEING TO OUR BALANCE.
HE WILL NOW DETERMINE THE EXACTING OF RETRIBUTION.
TO THOSE WITHOUT FAITH’; DID THOSE COLLECTIVELY GATHER
IN REPROACH TO THE ALTER OF JEHOVA, & WITH WHAT DID YOU PRESENT?
WHAT FRAME OF MIND DID YOU HAPPEN TO ROVE ABOUT IN YOUR FLAWLESS DISPOSITION?
HE WILL NOT FOR ALL OCCASION EXAMPLE THE LIKES OF MENACING
FOR THE LORD, GOD, HIMSELF, WILL FAR REMOVE
THE EXAMINATION OF THE INDIGNANT.
THE ONE TO MIS-DIRECT HIS APPROACH BEFORE THE ALTER OF JEHOVA, WOULD BY NO MEANS ERADICATE THE METHOD OF SALVATION
TO EACH HIS SUBJECTS, YOU WILL STAND AT LENGTH & VIEW THE RECONNAISSANCE OF SUCH
FOR JEHOVA, HIMSELF WILL DIRECT THE OUTCOME OF HIS PURPOSE.
& TO THIS, SHALL HE FOREVER BE GLORIFIED.
PRAISE TO JEHOVA, THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL, HE
WILL JUSTIFIABLY ACT IN BEHALF OF HIS VERY INHERITANCE
HE WILL NOT ALLOW HIS AUTHORITY TO PRESENTABLY FALTER
HE WILL AGAIN PROCEED THE SCALES TO ITS FULL ABOUND& ACTUALLY SET MATTERS STRAIGHT
TO REGARD THE NATIONS,MAY THE GOD OF YOU CONTINUE TO BE EXTOLLED FOR OUR BENEFIT
IN THE PRESERVING ALIVE; MAY WE UNIFY THE SPIRIT ; AS DRAWING WITHIN US, GOD’S DIRECTIVE, FOR THIS BELONGING, THE MOST HIGH
HE HAS BECOME THE ONE TO FOREVER MAGNIFY
EXTENSIVELY, SHALL I OFFER THE BENEFIT
& FOR MY WELL BEING
IN THAT THE SANCTIFICATION IS OWING HIM EXCLUSIVELY; COMES TO REMAIN THE BENEFIT OF ME
Good morning anonymous2 (2 because there is Another anonymous on here also). You are welcome here. I personally will come back later this evening to post something I want to say to you. This is a travel day for me and I have a JW whom I aided to be a witness 30 yrs ago in distress. So I will stop by hospice in a city before I arrive home and sit with her as her husband’s death is imminent. So I have to drive 3 hrs for that. I will see you tonight. Others might comment also when they see your comment. Take care hitting the road now, plenty of snow.
I thank you dear lady 🙂 I have been in such depression , & YES isolated,
for 2 reasons
broken family ties(because of the truth) & being ostracized
do u recall the great hurricane in Louisiana, how brothers went from many states to assist? our brothers went also.
it was very commendable, ONLY that just before this tragedy,
(we first moved to this state summer 2005,
me & the children suffered flood (several times) & just inches pouring into our house!
the brothers here were called>
it was severe enuff that they stood at a distance on a facing street. (these were known home builders)
they told us there was nothing could be done>
I was very sad, not one offered
us the safety of staying with a Witness family.
It was suggested we stay in a shelter until it subsided> There were none local (30 mile radius)
I was later told that a disgruntled sister came by & took pics . which made their way to other congregations & AS A MOCKERY- how Jehova must be dealing with my family (perhaps as a discipline & loss of his protection)
because of my professing hope!
this same sister &(another one) called me a “fool” of the neighborhood) b’cause I often assisted ppl(whom I tried to study with) giving food, a lil transportation>
during the ministry one day, this sister made it clear (opening her Bible) I could NOT be one of heavenly hope!
I was so grieved & wounded, I quietly got out of the car, walked 6 blocks home.
she demanded an apology, (after she walked to chase me)& stated MORE THAN ONCE I was persecuting her
this sister knew of an anointed brother & his wife, she convinced them to move into our area… he later found out her SOLE purpose for this was to PROVE ME A LIAR! me & this older brother became very close & Jehova made it a blessing for me> he was very grieved by my departure & (which he had issues now because of our friendship)
he moved away
the other sister, (a widow)
seemed upset one nite @ book study>
I approached her in private, let her know I’m here if she wanted to talk & be comforted>
here is what she said in quote”
WE don’t want you knowing about OUR problems> & WE don’t want to know what your going thru, we don’t care about what you have to say, why don’t you leave us alone!
the issues of being shunned & ostracized was a continuation from late 1990’s & grief from other congregations along the way.
just before my long contemplation of dis-association, I begged the elders to meet with me & these sisters,(pioneers, & one was an elder’s wife) to resign these issues & at least find some countenance
it wasn’t just these 2. the demeanor of most in the cong. was one of disgust for me & also my daughter
walk in the local Walmart, they quickly scurried in another direction
i felt as if a diseased LEPER
HONEST TO GOD, I felt it was a favor doing the cong. a favor by dis-associating,
with the shunning, it’s not much different than when I was among the congregated ones>
It was an ABSOLUTE cry for something to change among them.. mentally, I broke down ALL THE WAY, with the decision to leave the organization.
I then began to believe that I was part of the world again (because the elders told me I would be)
& that I was turning my back on Jehova>
my depression & despair caused me to make some terrible decisions
tho, I will NEVER place confidence in ANY other FAITH.
it’s been nearly 4 yrs now.
I have submitted a letter of apology, requesting to return. & for any disgrace to have brought them & to Jehova. the Elders WOULD NOT DISCUSS the letter with me.
it is VERY hard for me to attend meetings, & for also my son (who’s still at home) it saddens him greatly!
Hello anonymous, it is refreshing to hear you have deep respect for Jehovah’s word because we are to let God be found true and be a touchstone for what we accept. John 18:36 Jesus let’s Pilate know his kingdom is no part of this world. Organizations have set themselves up as his manifestation of God’s kingdom on earth many times throughout history. Often saying that keeps persons from making them accountable for atrocities because they think they are talking against God.
I have seen the problems you are experiencing when you partake of the emblems at the KH. My mother always did so in the B room with some other brothers 40 years ago and sometimes quietly with brothers in the home. The society had declared that the heavenly call ended in 1935. This thing of not wanting anyone to say they are anointed stems from the man made organization’s feeling threatened. They have the power situated with them and formally they taught that any anointed living were of the faithful and discreet slave class so persons like yourself would be a threat. The congregation elders and ones in the cong. are just following the attitude that they have been taught. So, although you say no bashing the organization we have to lay it at the foot of the causers of such abuse of you and your family. The brothers are just following orders so to speak. It sort of like blaming and finding fault with the rape victim instead of the rapist. Once you identify where the disrespectful attitudes come from only then can you straighten it out.
There has never arisen an occasion to tell anyone of my anointing or being called and I would never speak of it so I have not had your experience. I believe that all Christians should strive to run for the hope that is set before us all including the brothers within the JW organization. There is I believe personal anointing but it is between that person and God and not something the brothers would or should be concerned about or talk about even as it is between the person and God. And no one knows that they have made it until they die faithful and endure trials faithfully. You and your family appear to be under great trials and unloving treatment.
Php.3:12-16 “Pressing toward the Goal”
12 Not that I have already obtained this or have already reached the goal;[a] but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. 13 Beloved,[b] I do not consider that I have made it my own;[c] but this one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the heavenly[d] call of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Let those of us then who are mature be of the same mind; and if you think differently about anything, this too God will reveal to you. 16 Only let us hold fast to what we have attained.
On the issue of helping, witnesses have often involved themselves in relief efforts only if there will be press or if it is visible. It is a marketing type of tool. The brothers and sisters aren’t even aware or think, why am I helping these persons when there is a family right before me that I failed to show love to, with children?!! They are led to think and act a certain way.
If you pick up the torture stake of Jesus and bear his cross you will SUFFER. You probably will get better help from the governmental authorities if you have crossed the elders in your sector.
These may be your blessing from Jehovah to help you, so it might be better to be fully self sufficient. The way you say you were treated is following the script of most witnesses that make it known that they are of the anointed. Most Christian religions would embrace you and welcome you into the fellowship of Christ and do what they can to keep you on the road to seeing God face to face.
You can’t change other people and force them into a way of thinking. But you can look elsewhere for fellowship with those that use the Bible as the touchstone and not the rules of a man made corporation. God and organizations don’t mix well as one’s god is mammon as an organization.
You are welcome here anonymous. We have a Wednesday night meeting where if you can call in on Wed. We would love to talk to you and welcome you. The Bible Students don’t have an organization and we have freedom and Liberty in Christ. One of the body of Christ has not special authority or powers as we are all brothers. We have brothers that gifts of being able to teach, preach and understand. Some especially sisters are great evangelizers, others are great at comforting ones. There are gifts in men and women but all running for higher calling are equal in that respect. Within the JW organization there are a lot of tiers of authority, publishers, pioneers, Do, Co, zone servant BOE of the body of elders and etc. Order is on thing but power structures of an anointed having a special place creates problems and the organization don’t want to share this power.
My advice, if I may, would be to not talk of your anointing (of course you take the emblems). You may join with us during that time and partake or you may do so at home alone with your God if this causes you problems in the congregation. It seems to have put special hardships on your family when it isn’t necessary to partake around people that have no respect for Holy Things.
I hope I have helped not hurt in any way anonymous. I tend to be a problem solver. Will wait for your reply. Jacqueline
hello Jacqueline>
very kind of you to respond & give encouragement:) only know, the subject of my hope was not one I would “throw” at others, only they knew & how the zeal of Jehova would manifest within my persona>
to be anything less, would cause the grieving of God’s spirit within me (eph. 4:30)
this seemed to be definitely unwelcome among them.
here is a poem I would like to share w you & I have SO much more IF IT’S OK TO SHARE PLZ 🙂
HOLY IS JEHOVA;
WHO BRINGS ABOUT MY SALVATION
BELOVED FATHER, WHOM I HAPPEN TO ADORE
HERE, I SEEK KNOWLEDGE IN REFERENCE TO CHRIST, MY SAVIOR,
IN THAT YOU SO LOVINGLY PROVIDE
GRANT ME HOLY SPIRIT, IN THAT I MIGHT BE RENEWED FROM DAY TO DAY
GRANT ME EMPOWERMENT, TO UPHOLD THE INTEGRAL COURSE
GRANT TO ME SPECIFICS, OF DIVINE PURPOSE; TO WHICH I SEEK
GIVE ME THE TONGUE OF LEARNED ONES, WHO OFFER SERVITUDE WHOLE SOULED.
IN THAT I MIGHT RESPOND TO THE WEARY ONE; ALL THE WILL THAT JEHOVA PRESENTS.
RESOLVE N MY HEART TO ACT ACCORDINGLY.
FOR THE WILL THAT JEHOVA PRESENTS, IS PERFECTING THE INCLINATIONS OF DECEIT> TO WHICH THE HEART ACCUSTOMS (TO EVEN ONES AFAR IN SPIRIT)
THRU GRAND PROVISION OF OUR CHRIST, SHALL I BESEECH THE ADJUSTMENT.
NOW THE SACRED THINGS TO WHICH THE WORLD DOES NOT SEEK
ARE REVEALED TO ALL WHO ARE CHOSEN
ASSIST ME TO BE CONSIDERED AMONG THESE, & FROM CLEANSING THE THICKEST OF ERROR. THRU CHRIST I PRAY, AMEN
Anonymous2 I enjoyed your poem, here the friends write poems and share them. Your heart shows in your request to Jehovah.
Also let me say, I know how they know you are anointed by your partaking. When I say some things it is also stating facts for others to consider also. If one has received a call from Jehovah in the future or realize they are running for the upward call, we say shhhh if you are a witness. Because others are looking on I sometimes will say something that needs to maybe be said but does not apply to you. Pearls are not appreciate by swine. Witnesses are conditioned to react badly by order of the organization. Yes I feel you probably did the cong. a favor by leaving the cong but you would do yourself a favor by finding a way to answer that call and be free. There is so much work to do, so many are looking for truth and understanding. Daniel’s prophecy said it would happen that many would rove about, and the knowledge will become abundant, at the time of the end.(Daniel 12:4) You are on the road to freely rove about with this new insight into the scriptures. Anonymous we have conventions and the talks are not scripted, they are researched with present and past knowledge. Brothers speak from their heart and Holy Spirit can work with them. But with the scripted talks it only worked with the sister or brothers that wrote them and distributed them to the thousands of congregations regardless of what their needs really are on a local level.
Oh BTW my friend, a JW sister, husband passed today. I will not be in town for the funeral so I won’t cause her stress as witnesses might not come if her brother (DF) or two of us come. but at least I made it. This has been a long driving day for me but I have been able to visit with at least 2 of the Lord’s sheep. It is so nice to not have restrictions in your love. You tried it but witnesses think it odd if you show kindness, Field Service, knocking on doors, is the only acceptable emotion to show toward people.
Tell me I am curious, how did you find this website? What are the brothers saying about the Bible Students that are supposed to be dead? Oh, yes what do you think about the July 15, 2013 study issue that says there is no faithful and discreet slave class that they will be appointed during the great tribulation? I wonder what happens to the ones the DF”d that told them that and were labeled apostate? How many of your family are witnesses? Our numbers are going down as some die and the younger ones in 30’s or 40’s have just walked away or use it for their social meet ups. Are you aware that most of New York properties are sold? Any company doing this in the real world would have a going out of business sign on it. But I think it will survive but have to loosen the noose around their necks. Most friends will feel foolish about their mistreatment of their brothers when the society gets revealed. Please read some of the article on here and encourage your son also. We would love to hear from him. He should not be afraid. In Christian Love Jacqueline.
hi Jacqueline. very sad to hear of your friend’s husband dying 🙁
thank u for taking an active enterest in my & my childre. as for my son, he has a form of Asbergers, & 16, I am the one to teach him Bible truth’s & as for my dau. she moved back to Alabama, & altho she knows Jehova’s way to be truth, does not attend meetings. she was VERY discouraged thru ostracism & begged for me not to force meetings upon her, she does find it refreshing to have sisters she happens upon there to be kind (I also have a 9 month grandson) 🙂
I am quite shocked to hear of your reports concerning the organization> I don’t think the brothers will ever come to acknowledge the many who were mistreated could ever have been part of the anointed. (it is an admittance of wrongdoing on a large scale)
as far as Bible students supposed to be dead..not sure if I understand this question (for what you want to know).
I kinda think there would be only ONE arch angel’s trumpet call (1 Cor. 15:52) & those of the bride class are awaiting their inheritance are still at rest, & ALL obtain it at once.
& that this is parallel with Rev. ch 11:11,12, & 13
that the “enemies who behold them will be the demonic forces who’ve been subdued,(thru Christ & the holy angels)
the fear mentioned in vrs 11 would be the wicked in the spirit realm> beholding the bride class to newly inherit the heavens. fear is that their destruction is imminent!
& JUST AS THEY are ready for
ABYSS 🙂 the very last enemy we will encounter is death > it will be NO MORE
then perhaps as vrs. 13. a 10th of the city (christendom) which means completely destroyed…the rest who become frightened.. would be the AWE they give Jehova for their survival into the thousand yr. reign on earth.
vrs 15 thru 19 i think corroborates with all this consideration 🙂
(just food for thought, is all)
I will have to read the July 15 article to get back w ya on that.. huggz
p.s I forgot to answer your questions abt how many are Witnesses in my family.the answer is none… they’ve been strictly opposed & have acted very ugly to me personally>
the other q. is that I was seeking online those who love Jehova who were not necessiraly part of the organization> I found my blessing:) perhaps Jehova will provide a good husband along the way 🙂
I am VERY greatful to have free expression here, & not be criticized, because YES Jehova has opened up a WEALTH of new insight.. those within the cong. would throw horrific accusations
at! & YES the NEW scrolls are opening
Wow, we have a lot in common including the Asbergers child, for me it is a close relative’s child but I deal with him often and he is so intelligent that he wows me but he is also overly attentive to detail. lol
The society said the Bible Students had all died out, and now with the internet we find that is not true. I was a witness for 61years but the first 12 were under the Bible Student arrangement as in the segregated South, the organization could not change our ways. But in in 1962-66 after intergration they were able to introduce an organization concept. I knew of the BS but without the internet it was not possible to find them so the next 50 years was as an organization witness.
I am originally from Birmingham Alabama Circuit 18 at the time. I have at least 50 relatives still there and witnesses. It might be a blessing that none of your family are witnesses, at least the shunning isn’t there. You can make new friends outside of the Kingdom hall but you can’t make family.(:). Ahh I like what you say about Rev. Thanks for that I will go to scripture and break apart. That is the freedom we have as BS to be able to hear others thoughts on a scripture and allow that person free expression.
Here is a link from this site you might find interesting. You mentioned the Great Crowd and paradise earth. Were you aware the Jehovah witnesses once taught that the great crowd was a heavenly class? Read these articles and let me see what you think about where the great crowd is or will be. https://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/category/great-crowd/
And you must read the July 15, 2013 watchtower, it has changed everything. So you will know what a witness is speaking of if you run across one. I attended meeting this morning by adobe connect with Chicago and will physically attend next week. I can send you the link later.
Where in Alabama is your daughter, if you care to reveal that. Our family name is big in Northern Alabama, we might know each other. (you and I)
yes, we might know one another 🙂 it’s northern Bama, I’ve attended the one of the Huntsville Cong.
mostly N west> which study article in the July 2013 is it found in plz?
it’s wonderful if the primary of Witnesses have hope in being earthly subjects > I know they used to all believe it was a heavenly calling, & I definitely recognize the bonding is VERY strong with those who profess of the upward calling. the ones who have an earthly hope are not of that aspiration. & to not conceive that Jehova CAN perform miraculous events among those who place confidence in his saving acts … well HOW DO THEY EXPECT TO SURVIVE the finality if GOD doesn’t perform such miracles?!
when he works among those who are “Brothers in Christ” it advocates HE STANDS BY HIS WORD, & that those who dispute GOD is “dead” are proven to be LIARS
I have MANY wonderful personal experiences that Jehova has done EXTRAORDINARY things to assist me & my children. altho the cong. would NEVER accept , & I KNOW he works with those whom he chooses to & HOWEVER he decidedly chooses 🙂
My brother died technically at the Huntsville convention as the doors opened in 2005. A fireman was being let off at the convention in the fire truck and they brought him back, but we regretted that. For it put him in a state of suspended animation and he had that ill conceived and written medical directive of the watchtower organization. He never had children and wanted to never die so he could survive Armageddon and have children (you know the doctrine that if you did die you will never be married). So he checked the box that said I want to be on life support even if it means it will be for years. He gave authority to execute to an elder in Anniston. He overrode us 12 relatives (all witnesses) and the hospital to enforce documents that the organization draws up. This was his main reason for not letting us do what was right for our brother. (His wife Betty died 6 months earlier) Even his daughter wanted to be merciful. Long story short, for 6 months, machines breathed for him and my sister took care of him like you would a vegetable, a flower. He had no capacity or ever would. The hospital was horrified at this document and they have modified it now. My brothers served where the need is great in Athens, Decatur and Huntsville Al, Muscle Shoals area in the 60’s-80’s. I was just in New Orleans this year working with one of your city celebrities for a week.
There are so many experiences that have shaped my life as I am sure it has yours and your family.
I found using the method Jesus used at Matt 4th chapter to use the sword of the spirit, the bible. Eph 6: shows how having defensive armor on helps you not get hit directly by trials or have limited set backs. But sometimes when confronted with situations we have to use the sword for face to face combat to get the prize. Satan knew he had lost when Jesus used the old testament to combat him.
Now I am trying to memorize more scriptures as trials come not when you are at your library. To read the Bible in a systematic manner is my goal. I will use books and magazines to get perhaps others thoughts on the matter but Jesus said “it is written”. So my goal is to directly read the bible and let holy spirit help me. Take Care. PS. Glad to know you are a female, it helps, although I thought so. (:)
PS: July 15,2013 is found at http://www.jw.org study issue
good day to you Jacqueline (& everyone)
can you tell me where the conventions will be
on Dec. 31? ( is Memphis on the Agenda? I would love to meet & hope to be embraced by a family who love Jehova, as it should have always been for me & my children)
the prospect of being with a true loving spiritual family actually brings me to tears
I have SO longed for this..hoping because I had dis associated from the organization, that your fellow believers won’t also exercise the ostracism & shunning
I think that was the date I saw. ( I am so wounded by years of this )
am wanting to come in contact with your elders & call but am SO afraid they will direct me to the local congregation of JW’s where i left from. these ones express NO interest of allowing me to return ( & it’s heartbreaking to me & my son to even attend meetings knowing how they feel abt. us ,& Always have
So, how do I ever come to be an active member, so as to receive encouraging phone calls & a healthful relationship among you. I desperately need this
Jacqueline; white man and 19.
Brothers and sisters it was some experience, for me to be able to express my feelings and thoughts. Been hoping that some one has a similar spiritual walk of life but it is not of our choice to choose. Jacqueline I am not that forgiving to Adam and Eve specially as it is front of me trials to overcome, maybe after final sealing. But as you know it is not up to us at all. Brothers and sisters as Christ not let us down lets stick wit him and our God Jehovah.
I understand, and whatever the decision of Jehovah is it will be just. I however, can’t forgive Satan as he continues to cause trouble. Oh for the Restitution of all things!
We appreciate the fellowship with our brothers from all over. It is a blessing from Jehovah. We are encouraged when brothers comment. Let’s us know we are doing the right thing by maintaining this site.
we don’t want to ever do any harm. I will be commenting from the home town of my birth for the next two weeks. All family will be witnesses. My brother has prepared one of his vacant homes for me to stay as some in the family calls me apostate. But 5 brothers, 1 sister,1 sister in law plus hordes of nieces, nephews are waiting on me. So wish me God’s blessing. Jacqueline.
Jacqueline I been looking at picture of you, it is a paradox, me growing up in only white society, see 1st real black man when I was 19. Probably in a normal circumstances we just past one another but here in spiritual home all go away and we can see spiritual beauty in each of us. I do like people who are not afraid of loud thinking. Of course Adam repent, how you can live with himself, same for Eve, we do not know what perfection of mind and body means so we are not judging here, just thinking loud.
Where did you see a picture of me? LOL And are you saying you are black in an all white society or are you white and never saw a black man until you were 19? So it’s out I am a loud mouth cranky old black lady! (smile). Freedom is what Jesus brought yet at 12 years old I went into slavery just like my ancestors. The Southern United States was just getting the race relations straight and previously our little congregation was not touched by the tentacles of the society. It was just a printing factory for us. Only black brothers ran everything even the conventions. we were said to be backwards in the truth by northern states.
Then the society put a 30 something year old man over our congregation and he answered only to the society, not to the congregation. This was the beginning of my having my freedom to think taken away. It was a process. My father rebelled and died, my mother did also after his death as they treated us like dogs when dad died. Other church people around us were shocked.
My brother went to college and got in touch with the witnesses quit college went to serve where the need was great then Bethel and missionary work in Africa. He forced the witness religion on nine of us children. I was still meeting with the Bible Students but don’t know where they went. I was a devote indoctrinated witness by 13yrs and beyond. My eyes and brain woke up about 1998. My questions and reasoning led me to the door some 10years later. Just a little about my history.
I would love to see our first parents. Jehovah says he will satify the desire of every living thing. I hope many have that desire.(Ps 145:16)
Jacqueline read your comment on Adam.
Of course I am not live giver but as the fallen angels in their perfection disobey Jehovah, they will ended in the lake of fire, that is Jehovah’s judgment.Adam and Eve been in perfect state of mind and physicle sense, they to have personal warning by our Father Jehovah. Jacqueline it is for a boobs that Adam fail, if he stand front of Jehovah as a man and do not bl-aim Him, there can be possibility of resurrection. Fair or not fair Jehovah’s judgment is Jehovah’s judgment. Will the people in the flood have theirs resurrection or they have Jehovah’s judgment on them already. Our king Christ been saying will be like in the days of Noah. Was Adam and Eve unfotunet because the condition of earth been perfect, also the word sin has no meaning?
Hi Jirka, As I believe Jesus ransomed Adam, I also believe the people of Noah’s day are ransomed by Jesus. I don’t believe the offspring of the fallen angels will come back as they are not Adam’s progeny.
Matt 24:37-42 Jesus explains what he meant. The people were carrying on with the ordinary cares of life. Immorality etc was rampant but he was talking about their non attention that a change was about to occur. Angels would no longer be in charge of their physical world by influencing them. Today people are the same, unaware that there is a change in rulership, that a tribulation is coming upon the earth and Christ will rule.
As to whether Adam or certain individuals get a resurrection I only go by this scripture 1Tim 2:5,6 “For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.”(ESV).Armageddon will have many survivors not just eight. It was the days of Noah that was contrasted, not resurrection. Eve came from Adam but was perfect when she sinned. Why does the bible mention that she was deceived?(1Tim 2:14-15) Did Adam repent? The bible is silent. He may in the millennium. Jehovah’s sentence was dust you are and dust you will return. Is Gehenna meant here? Eve said however at Gen 4:25 that “God has appointed for me another offspring instead of Abel, for Cain killed him.” Does she still have a relationship with God? Now I can wonder out loud and think on a scripture Jirka. I lay at night just wondering on things that the bible is silent on without guilt.
I want to comment on one of your other posts where you feel you are misunderstood. No we understand you and you have the right and opportunity to express what you believe. We are here to listen. Because Christians think and want a personal relationship with God does not make them crazy. Because one partake of the emblems that does not make them mentally diseased as the watchtower mag says. So you take care dear Jirka we are enjoying your comments.
Looks like my comment about my spiritual walk confuse or offended some. Do not surprises me my own wife, family all JW are thinking that I am nut.Most of them been telling me; Jehovah’s not deal with people this way, because they been told that all of us will be home before Armageddon. Some been saying as Jehovah is able read the heart what is the point to testing people this way? Others been saying it is a work of Satan, they are partly right Jehovah just lift His protective hand and say hello to Satan and his demons. And that was happen to Job; do whatever you want, just do not kill him. Brothers some of us will live on this earth as His representatives, kings, judges and priest. So some of us have to go trough as many difficult test as required. Only a thief can judge a thief, as he with Jehovah’s mercy on him overcame the problem Father accept at his judgment. I my self know that my last test will be hardest leave this earth in nearly perfect condition as a perfect man; I do not know. It is easier to die when all creation on earth suffer. Think little out of the box,earth is ow Jehovah perfect life; Adam been created perfect, he blow it, Christ has to come, another perfect life, later he went home but the body stay here and come to dust. We know Jehovah is perfect in every way, good and bad souls belongs to him. We know that Christ open the door for us as a first of us. So maybe some of us as we past final sealing have a given right by our Father Jehovah to receive crown of life but still will be on earth as His representative and as he reach perfection of body he than can close the door. It was Christ who open the door not his Father. They are so many things to talk about brother and sisters
Thank you Jirka.
To Jirka;
Thank you for letting me pick your brain a bit. What I am going to show you now is a small tidbit of the total reseach I have done. Done on what?
First, Pastor Russell’s days. He showed the heavenly calling was closed, but left the hope for people as ones fell away. Also if any anointed were under achievers they would still go to heaven and assist the bride class the over achievers. And in one of his WTs he showed there may be 40,000 anointed, but only 10,000 might be overachievers.
In around 1907 a drop out occurred, and 1909 new light caused another drop out. When 1914 didn’t turn out another drop out. Then you had others dropping, some starting new groups some leaving religion completely. Even 1926 when the character building was done away with, more dropped. And when preaching was expressed more dropped. And I could go on and on. So what Bible account fits well?
Jer and Zep 1:12,”Jehovah will not do good and he will not do bad.” Poor thinking by those people.
Jer 42 finds the ones who were not taken to Babylon, for they must have listened to Jeremiah. Surely you believe Jehovah used Jeremiah? So this remnant comes to Jeremiah and says what?
“and do pray in our behalf.” “And may Jehovah your God tell us the way in which we should walk.” Jeremiah reassures them he will not hold back and will tell them like it is.So what do they say? May Jehovah prove to be true.” What else? They even say that if they don’t do all Jehovah says, that Jehovah may hold it against them.
Note how their thinking had come in line compared to their parents of 40 years ago. “Whether goog or bad, it is the voice of Jehovah.”
Lets review, they were spared, just like many Bible Students in Pastor Russell’s day, and Judge Rutherford’s day. All of them for the most part made vows to be loyal till death. But as previously shown, it did not happen. So who did those Bible Students imitate?
In reading chapter 42 of Jeremiah we see them saying we will LISTEN, and show us the WAY, and we will be held accountable if we don’t do it.
What happened? New light came from Jehovah’s represenative. Blessings and mercies you will receive,”‘If you will without fail keep dwelling in this land, I will also build you up and I shall not tear you down, and I will plant you and I shall not uproot you.'”
Was that to hard to listen to Jehovah’s represenative? In my heart I believe you would say no. Tell me if my heart is wrong.
Remember how they said,”it is to Jehovah our God to whom we are sending you that we shall obey, to the intent that it may go well with us because we obey the voice of Jehovah our God.
Well after Jehovah’s represenative gave that nice message of what to do, he also included these words,”If you yourselves positively set your faces to enter into Egypt and you actually enter in to reside there as aliens, it must also occur that the very sword of which you are afraid will there catch up with you in the land of Egypt, and the very famine at which you are ina fright will there closely follow after you to Egypt, and there is where you will die.”
Did they listen to Jehovah’s represenative? No! But they took an issurance policy out by forcing Jeremiah to go. The results, they died. But the one they called a false prophet lived. “It is a falsehood that you are speaking.” 43:2,”Jehovah our God has not sent you.”
So since the days of Pastor Rusell, thousands of individuals claiming to be anointed had went back to spiritual Egypt and lost heir potenial crowns. They are know to accuse Jehovah’s represenative of not being from God and false. Even though at one time the y begged for that represenative to show them how to walk and they will do what that represenative tells us. But they became like Demas and went back to spiritual Egypt.
And here is what every human faces kiving on this planet at this end time. Just like those you have a choice, join the majority of manking who don’t listen to Jesus appointed slave, or join together with those who listen to Jesus appointed slave.
Hank
To Jacquelin;
At the transfiguration The voice from heaven said something like this. This is my Son, my beloved, LISTEN TO HIM.
His Son says,”I will appoint and he says these will have the responsibility to feed the domestics, including themselves.
So we have three possibilities.
1. Pastor Russell was that one. Which many of your brothers and sisters believe. But he is gone, and Jesus would have this DFS all during the end of this system during his presence.
2. We can believe the GB. For example when you got the truth all those who made that up have finished their eathly coarse, and have been replaced by Jesus, for he said to give the food at the proper time.
3. Or we can believe that Jesus will not do what he said he would do. And believe there is no DFS and do our own thing.
Hank
Hank sorry this is so long but I will be away today and wanted to touch on all the points you mentioned. Get some coffee (smile). Good questions and comments Hank it has started my brain. (:)
There was no governing body when I was born in or baptized. If fact this body is more like the Sanhedrin of Jesus day and I never agreed to be a part of their organization as many did with the acceptance of the baptism questions over the years so to me they are “Instead of Jesus”. Notice how they add to the bible in just one instance here. It has made me not trust them. (Rev.22:18
*** w61 11/15 p. 692 par. 16 Publishing the “Word of Life” in a Dying World Remember also the Bible-reading Jews in Beroea in Macedonia. They heard the Law and the Prophets read in their synagogues and also studied these Scriptures privately, but never understood. Then along came the apostle Paul and he went into their synagogue. What he told them was new and different to them. But they were noble-minded about the matter. In what way? “They received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so. Therefore many of them became believers, and so did not a few of the reputable Greek women and of the men.” (Acts 17:10-12) To understand the Bible for their salvation they had to have it explained through God’s organization.
Also I believe many down thru the ages have been faithful and discreet in administering the truth to God’s people such as Martin Luther, John Hus etc. But the watchtower now says this:
Watchtower 7/15,2013 study issue: 2 The timely spiritual food we receive is proof that Jesus, the Head of the congregation, is keeping his promise to feed us. Through whom is he doing so? When giving the sign of his presence, Jesus said that he would use “the faithful and discreet slave” to give “food at the proper time” to his domestics. * (Read Matthew 24:45-47.) That faithful slave is the channel through which Jesus is feeding his true followers in this time of the end. It is vital that we recognize the faithful slave. Our spiritual health and our relationship with God depend on this channel.—Matt. 4:4; John 17:3.
3 What have our publications stated about the illustration of the faithful slave?
How, then, are we to understand Jesus’ illustration about the faithful slave? In the past, our publications have said the following: At Pentecost 33 C.E., Jesus appointed the faithful slave over his domestics. The slave represents all anointed Christians on earth as a group at any one time since then. The domestics refer to the same anointed ones as individuals. In 1919, Jesus appointed the faithful slave “over all his belongings”—all his earthly Kingdom interests. However, further careful study and prayerful meditation indicate that our understanding of Jesus’ words about the faithful and discreet slave needs to be clarified. (Prov. 4:18) Let us examine the illustration and how it involves us, whether we have the heavenly or the earthly hope.
Are you suggesting I follow these 10 self appointed guys? If it was me or anyone else constantly changing complete so called truths, I would be called a Liar and no one would believe anything coming out of my mouth.
But because these are the Gods of the witnesses say they say “oops, God was wrong when he helped us understand, this is NEW LIGHT.”
I told a sister that called me very upset over the new changes, that don’t worry, they will change it in 3 years when they get a new crop of witnesses in. Sadly she agreed, but this organization is her life and I aided her to come into it.
BTW these are the ever changing questions at baptism which you might have accepted but I was under the very first one:
Another practice that has changed that I am not in full understanding of is the way in which one is baptized. The July 1, 1955 Watchtower mentions on page 411: “A Christian, therefore, cannot be baptized in the name of the one actually doing the immersing or in the name of any man, nor in the name of any organization, but in the name of the Father, the Son and the holy spirit.” In total disregard for these previous comments and Biblical examples, in 1985 the baptism questions changed, with the candidate having to announce their desire to become associated with an Organization
The baptismal questions for candidates at that time were:
(1) Have you recognized yourself before Jehovah God as a sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him the Father through his Son Jesus Christ?
(2) On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightenment of the holy spirit?
Now:
The first question is: (1) On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?
(2) The second is: Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s spirit-directed organization? Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism.” Watchtower 1985 June 1 p.30
The Scriptures admonish us NAS Titus 1:9 holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, that he may be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict.
The problems is that rank and file JW’s are holding fast to the Watchtower and not the Bible itself, which only is inspired by God. It is interesting that Jesus would not accept the title Good Master in Matthew 19:17; Mark 10:17, nor do you see him use the title Faithful and true of himself until after he ascended to heaven(Revelation 3:14).Jesus is supposed to be our model(1 Peter 2:21) . . .Christ suffered for YOU, leaving YOU a model for YOU to follow his steps closely. . .Therefore how are is current JW leadership(GB) following this model, when the scriptures says: Revelation 2:10 Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life, consequently the title Faithful, discreet, true should only be uttered only after a person has proven his self faithful until death, and prior usage of this word shows haughtiness(Proverbs 21:24) 24 Presumptuous, self-assuming braggart is the name of the one who is acting in a fury of presumptuousness. . .to brag or boast about the accomplishments as if this is an indication of being anointed I think is wrong, for instance how many Jews actually put faith in Jesus?(John 1:10-12) . . .. 11 He came to his own home, but his own people did not take him in. 12 However, as many as did receive him, to them he gave authority to become God’s children. . .numbers is not an indication of blessings, for who could teach better than Messiah, and yet the GB use numbers as some kind of pre-qualifier for blessings and approval. Did we not read in scripture that David was told not perform an illegal census of his army in 1 Chronicles 21:1-7. The spiritual army that JW leadership have should not be used a primary indicator of Jah’s approval, what constitutes Jah’s approval is (1 Timothy 1:5) Really the objective of this mandate is love out of a clean heart and out of a good conscience and out of faith without hypocrisy. . .Some JW’s focus so much on Works(Field Service) that they forget the other essential things that are needed to keep a person balanced and Paul used the word FREE GIFT over 16 times in his writings and Paul further says (Romans 4:4-8) 4 Now to the man that works the pay is counted, not as an undeserved kindness, but as a debt. 5 On the other hand, to the man that does not work but puts faith in him who declares the ungodly one righteous, his faith is counted as righteousness. 6 Just as David also speaks of the happiness of the man to whom God counts righteousness apart from works: 7 ”Happy are those whose lawless deeds have been pardoned and whose sins have been covered; 8 happy is the man whose sin Jehovah will by no means take into account. . .The main point is that a person has to balanced in all aspects so as not fall from grace or undeserved kindness. Be humble and Learn from the Master Jesus.