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  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s

    THIS IS A FACT. Vol IV pages 544,545, three times it ask who this army is. He had it wrong back then and after he went to hea en the leaders had it wrong for another 104 years. Referring to Joel, and the army Jehovah was going to use.

    Here is where it is funny. The first sentence in April study WT has Charles Russell’s name in it.

    So if we take it from ctr,s beginning st it took almost 150 for the correct understanding come about.

    Wow!!! This is why people who left ctr and others miss out.

    Praise Jehovah as his light keeps getting brighter.

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave
      So his light got brighter on 1925? 1975, Evaul slave class? Faithful servant was all anointed? Organ transplants are cannibalism? 1914 was “this generation” and “overlapping generation” Jonadabs? Israel? Ruth-Estger class? Thw scapegoat being the bible students?

      Hmm sound more like wandering in darkness to me.

      Why dont you try to read the volumes and stop looking for errors in them. We dont hold to the volumes like y’all do the WT magazines.

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      Why dont you google the Australian Royal Commission when Geoffrey was on the stand and said that its presumptuous to believe that only you have the truth.
      Jehovahs word said that nothing covered wouldn’t be uncovered. Man did it shine in the WT and expose all the pedophiles and false doctrines.

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      I’m going to leave this hear. It’s clear your whole intention is to be correct. I was a JW so I know your mentality. You want the last word so you can go off being puffed about about having been correct. You did this on Facebook too. Yes I remember.

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.
    Ad in back of book

    THE WATCH TOWER

    And

    Herald of Christ Presence

    This journal should regularly visit all who have the slightest interest in the topics in this and the other volumes of the Scripture Studies. It is issued twice a month, 16 pages, at one dollar (4s.) a year in advance.

    I always wonder did my Grandfather and Grandmother get any of the books when on the farm. For many colporture hit the farms. Will have to wait till the resurrection to find out.

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      We hand out tracts and have witnessing booths and we have many traveling brothers and sisters that visit all over the world. We are a little flock and when the bride is complete we will raise the world of mankind and will have all to be enlighted bu the truth.

  • Dave

    Here are some verses ctr uses on page 528 VOL IV.
    Rev. 16:14; Zeph:3:8 ;Isa. 13:4; rev. 16:18; Heb. 12:26.
    All the proud and all that do wickedly shall be stubble, and this fire shall burn them up. It shall leave them neither root nor branch. Mai.4:1

    Happily you and I can say were happy he was wrong on the timing, or we never would have lived . And no need to criticize him as he was ahead of his time. Yet those prophecies still have to be fulfilled.

    Page 616 He is off on the folliwing.
    We have seen that the period of our Lord’s presence from 1874 to 1914 is a harvest time, the earlier part of it for gathering his elect bride, and the latter part a time of trouble ,for the overthrow of present institutions, in preparation for the new Kingdom.

    Think if we had the internet back then. They would have web sites going after him just like happened today with the judge.

    Read some stories of Russell’s follows, even in other countries. One from Norway touched me as my mothers parents had come from there to the us about the time this book was written . But when it didn’t come true this consecrated ones, either took their lives or quit worshipping God. How could they face there neighbors where they had preached.

    If they had only stayed in the truth, the light kept getting brighter and things started making sense. To the point they eventually stopped printing the studies because of so many I’ll timed events making it impossible to see the truth.

    But believe it or not, just like Catholics who were taught about limbo, and most are unaware that the Church got rid of it, they keep serving the Pope. And same with ctr, a small handful scattered around the world hang on to Him.
    Amazing!!!

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.

    Going to let Pastor Russell answer that question 20 years later.

    None need be surprised to find that some of its statements, although startling strong come short now of the full Truth.

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s. 1897 . It relates to the closing epoch of this Gospel Age, the overlapping between it and the New Dispensation.

    Please answer, wes that truthful?

    From preface of Studies VOL IV

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      The overlapping of the Gospel Age with the Jewish Age is a parallel between the Overoapping of the GOSPEL age and the Messianic age. Like I said. Read the Divine Plan. And when I did it took me put of nominal christendom of the WTS.

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.
    John chapter 3. Who ever doesnt believe in him is already judged, because they dont believe in the name of God’s only Son .

    When all the people living on earth now face the wrath of God, rev.19:20 But the beast was seized, along with the false prophet who had done signs in the beast presence. (He had used the signs to deceive people into receiving the beast’s mark and into worshipping the beast’s image.) The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake that burns with sulfur. The rest were killed by the sword that comes from the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds are the fill of their flesh.

    Do you know who the rider on the horse is? Do you know how scripture shows this us not at the end of the 1000 years?

    • Chris Johns

      Dave,
      Then you’re whole religion falls a apart because your religion teaches that those who didn’t believe will come back. Dave all I’m going to say and I’m going to leave it here. God has a plan for everyone. Jesus is a Ransom for ALL. Every single human being will have a chance for everlasting life oh the earth. Gods main goal is to seek a bride for his son Jesus. After the bride is complete they will raise the world of mankind and they will have forever lost out on the prize of the heavenly call but will have an opportunity for life on the earth. Please read the Divine plan of the ages. Opened my eyes to the Good News of great joy and not the Good tidings of bad news the Watchtower taught me for 6 years. Have a good day.

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.

    The word many which about 25 translations I checked all use Jesus word many.
    And my English dictionary gave me the meaning— the majority— then gave you the meaning of majority—the greater number.

    Not only do you go against English but also Pastor Russell’s teaching. The unforgivable sin. But insulting the Holy Spirit won’t be forgiven. Jesus words at Matthew 12:31 And Pastor Russell used these verse more then once . Because its impossible to restore people to changed hearts and lives who turn away once they have seen the light. Hebrews 6:4
    When someone rejected the Law from Moses, they were put to death…How much worse punishment do you think is deserved by the person who walks all over God’s Son? Hebrews 10:28,29.

    You may say the judge made hard rules, but the Pastor enforced the hardest of them all on his readers, follows, believing Jehovah God was using him. A bondage of no resurrection. But it’s not a bondage for those who follow the faithful slave that Jesus said would be here during the last days, so common sense says your going to stay close to the one doing the feeding if you want life . You go your own way or satans children lure you away, you will perish from starvation of wholesome spitual food

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave incorrect.

      Many means all proof

      Romans 5:19
      “For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinner”

      Are you telling me there are sinless people becasue this just means the majority?

      • Christopher Johns

        Dave,
        Hebrews 6:4 is proof that only the anointed are on trial!!! Not the world of mankind. Read it. Ate you saying the world of mankind are partakes of the heavenly gift and partakes of the holy spirit? Nope!!! You just proved my point. The world of mankind is not on trial. Only the anointed are.

        Hebrews 6:4
        “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost”

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.
    On that one demon did you notice he is aware he and his cohorts will be destroyed. Removed from existence.

    Adam and Eve did the exact same thing as those semons.

    Where is the justice Afam and Eve get another chance but the demons don’t?

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      Yes he is aware they will be destroyed. At the end I’d the millennium because they will be locked away for the millennium. Tye world the rebels IN THE LITTLE SEASON (years after the millennium) will be destroyed. But JWs are sending them off before they have had their trial. The world’s judgment day is the millennium. The Jws have made it now. God is only developing the New creation.

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      It is fair that adam hers another trial. That’s the whole ransom. Jesus became a man to redeem man. Not demons and Angel’s.

  • Christopher Johns

    The method that sounds like satan hmmm lemme see

    Bible- “I am the way the truth shall the life no one comes to the father but by me.”

    JWs- Come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation.” WT 11-15-81 p.21

    “To receive everlasting life in the earthly paradise, we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it.” WT 2-15-83 p.12

    “Bible students…must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovah’s organization is essential to their salvation.” Our Kingdom Ministry, November, 1990

    Yet not one scripture backs this point up. Noah’s Ark represents christ. Not an organization.

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.

    Didn’t say all Rutherford taught was wrong. I simply used Lucifer which brother Russell was wrong on also.

    And I new you would use a verse after what Jesus said about many . The word many does not meal all. Large number of
    The majority of people
    Right from Dictionary.

    Now for your words by Paul in Roman’s it’s not a contradiction.

    2 Ways to look at it.

    1. His all covers the majority.
    2 At Genesis 3:15 the if non dont commit the unforgivable sin they would get a resurrection.
    But look at perfect at one time, Satan and the Angel’s who joined him. What hope did they have?
    Matthew 8:29 Did you come here to torment us before the appointed time?
    James 2:19 yet the demons believe and shudder.
    Mark 1:24 Did you come to destroy us?
    Dictionary on destroy, make something stop existing by damaging it or attacking it.
    Shudder to tremble or shake violently

    It sure is clear perfection will fully given up has no hope.
    Likewise Jehovahs justice is the same for Adam and Eve. Remember Genesis is after Adam and Eve sinned they would not be included in that hope.
    Same for all who had committed the unforgettable sin before and after Jesus died.

    Keep in mind here, the purpose of this discussion is trying to save yours or any who listen and come back to worship Jehovah God. On the other hand your offer to me, me not being anointed, is the Greek scriptures shows my place is secured in the 1000 years to be given a chance to pass the test at end of 1000 years of Satans abyss. So no matter what my life does there is salvation waiting for me. So just throw bible away Dave you dobt need it.

    Which method sounds like Satan approves???

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      Jesus died as a corresponding price and ransom for ADAM. Adam will come back. All means all. Not majority not some, not most. All. Plain and simple Rutherford wasnshovijf everyone off into second death or non-ressurction before they were even placed on trial.

      Gospel Age———-> Church on trial
      Millennial Age——–> World on trial.

      Read Tabernacle Shadows you’ll understand. Rutherford changed the Parable of the Sheep and Goats to now instead of millennium si that he can shove all those who disagree with him into second death. Sorry no way around it.

      WTS has become christendom and have denied the ransom. The use the word but they dont know the concept. God didnt help russell understand the ransom and then completely change it

    • Christopher Johns

      All those scriptures you showed are about demons. When is the appointed time? At the end of the millennium becasue they will be locked away with satan. Its not difficult. You have mankind going into death before their trial in the millennium. Tye world is not on trip until the millennium. By making it now you’ve made void the purpose of the millennium. If it was only for those who havent heard the truth then wouldn’t it make sense to not come to my door at all tjay way I’ll be resurrected and have a chance?

      Which is more fair- Come to my door while I’m still blind give me a 5 minute speech and some video and that was my chance or a 1000 years of perfection satan locked away sin and death removed and have absolute 100 proof then the go to a blind person with faith? Which seems more fair?

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