Romans 8:28 promises, “And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.” NASV. All of us desire to be close to our God Jehovah and his son, Jesus Christ. We long for their comfort, guidance and encouragement in our lives. We are promised in Isaiah 26:3, “You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is stayed on You, Because he trusts in You.” NKJV. Yet when difficult and harsh experiences come, we sometimes feel alone and afraid. In Hebrews 13:5 we read, “God Himself has said, “I will never, never let go your hand: I will never never forsake you.” Weymouth. You are not alone. Your heavenly Father and his Son are watching over you. You are not alone. There are others like you who have experienced hard trials and difficult experiences. Take some time to share with us. To tell your story. To encourage others. That is what this Testimony section is for.
After my wife came home from her sunday Jw meeting yesterday, she said the elders asked her where I’d been lately……(I was coming to all the meetings for awhile), she said I had joined the Bible students, their responce was…..”Oh, he’s with the apostates”!After letting my wife know I wasn’t pleased with what they said I told her….”B.S. arn’t the apostates, if anything it’s the other way around….the Jw’s are the apostate because they’re the ones that broke off from the truth!!”
It will began to sink in to your wife that something isn’t right and she wil sneak on the computer to check it out. Elders cornered my daughter in law at the convention and told her I was with the apostates. She replied “they were here before us so how is that possible”? Another elder was shaking his head in agreement with her out of the sight of the others. My brother who is an elder and have been through Gilead school, all volumes of studies in the scriptures, you name it. After questioning my beliefs said you have your belief system according to the bible so I can’t say anything. He just wanted to know where they were in his huge city.
Now I know. Jesus kept them hide in plain sight so that this institution could try and rule without Jesus religiously. They too have failed. Now he is revealing their failure to set up an earthly organization. The October 2012 magazine is trying to say that God has an earthly org ruling now.
They will run her away, as she keep answering everyone’s questions. You and her will be a threat. They will write New York and they will sacrifice her to save their membership. Be there for her as she start staying home with you and want to adobe connect with you. She won’t tell you at first.
She seems to be a smart girl and you know a “sister” will put them in checkmate after a while. LOL Take Care you shall conquer the world.
Yesterday, my wife said:…..”since the Bible students arn’t organized like the Jw’s,they can do whatever they want without being held accountable to anybody” I told her Jesus is the head and we’re each accountable for ourselves…..of course she didn’t buy it but at least she’s asking questions:)
Ken I have learned this is the best way to be a christian. I watch even giving the appearance of evil. It encourages you to care how our brothers and sisters might look at it. Now I understand character development. Wanting to keep his commandments make for a better person. Witnesses break the Bible rules and principles in a minute but worry a lot about the society’s extra rules. Children will ignore their parents, call people apostate and basically judge if the org says so but the Bible says different. They will go with the org in a second. Your wife will see her life is going to change with them. Also some will go out and look to see who the Bible Students are. That’s why I tell witnesses about the Bible Students.
And yes, at least she is talking. It will take time.
You’re absolutely right Jacqueline!
Ken I hate to keep saying this but she is on their list now, she just dooesn”t know it. They have to get info back from the CO about you and they will start pulling association away from her. One day I will probably get to meet her and we will all have a good laugh. Got to go for a bit today. Relatives are still waiting. They took all life support off except oxygen yesterday so I better get this house ready for relatives. I am now the oldest female. I just got off the phone with the daughter where grandmommy has lived for 15 yrs and she has accepted it, so we wait. I will check the site every two hours. Bye
Ok Jacqueline,I’m praying to Jehovah that something good may come out of your situation…….
Ken, Well it will be a time of testing and stress as we come together since I have left. So far since I have worked with hospice I am useful in assuring them of the process of and older person dying of old age. There might be a problem at the funeral when the Elders in the family come, I can think of two that will confront me, but I am not going to speak. I have vowed. If they decide they won’t be where I am after the funeral, I will leave and let my children remain and be in peace. I am tired of fighting with ones in position of Elder (Bethel ones also) and above. They are not worth the energy it takes to say words to them. If a relative tell me that there will be problems I will leave after the grave services. So far the immediate family and I are close. It is 2 of the Brothers-in-law that place themselves in the position of God in the family. Yet they are really the most reprehensible, I will not reveal them for what they are, I will remain silent for if the family knew about them it would cause problems. We are literally the oldest three. I wil pray but not speak. Thanks for your kind words. The process of death in this case cannot be halted. Removal of some of the life support will let it occur naturally now.
I am listening to a talk on the doctrine of character development.
Jacqueline and Sharon…..I won’t be participating in the phone meeting tonight as I’ll be at my local ecclesia(Brother Tom Gilbert)at 7pm…….just thought you’d like to know.
Hey, hey, hey! You enjoy yourself Ken. It is working out for you finally. You have endured a lot, now for your blessings. Peace.
Good news! My wife decided not to leave me…….instead, she said she’ll put up with my decision to not return to the Jw’s.She also said she’d put up with my Bible student beliefs, as long as,I didn’t try to influence her………..:)
I think that is fair enough, Good and SMART LADY!!!! Now you are free Ken to worship. And stick to your word and let your conduct be the thing. Ken, the witnesses are going to run her away. They will view you as a threat to others as she tells them you went to the Bible Students. Most don’t know they exist and many more might leave when they see you didn’t explode or your head didn’t spin around.
I am so HaPPY FOR YOU. Now you can go to a convention like the harvest convention that is going on now. Congrats!!!
BTW: If only the few JW survive this is monumental. Noah didn’t do that. The society is always trying to break people and work them to death to earn salvation.
Thanks Jacquline!I’m looking forward to going to my first BS convention soon!! BTW, could you give me Info. on when and where they meet online(or by phone)sunday mornings?
Ken,
Do not be afraid anymore, for our Lord, Master and Messiah will be with you till the end, for he promises this to all his loyal follers! You have seen and heard, that many have broken away from the “mind control” of the WT Org.!
I am truly sorry about your wife but, you should know that there is a separating work going on! Remember, there are only two sides: Jehovah’s side and satan’s side! Each person will be fully tested, and the question is… who’s side are you on? Who are you loyal to? God or man? Who will you follow? Most JW’s are WT Org. followers, not followers of Jesus and not loyal to the only True God, Jehovah! Many are misled and it is very sad but, Messiah will find his loyal ones and they will come out! Stay strong, keep enduring till the end, your deliverance is near and your faith will help many!
I know how you feel and what all are going thru! I am not DF’d tho, I told the elders to go ahead and do it for I am not afraid of them or what they say, like my Master, they have no hold on me! I have been enduring their cruelty for 25+ years! I am free and out of bondage from them! But, they continue to spy on my and send many of their followers from all over (NV, CA, WA) to see what I am doing! They are looking for signs but, Jesus said they will not see…
The WT Org. elders are modern day Pharisees, doing to me what they did to Jesus! (and all true sheep)
I speak up and speak out and stand for truth and righteousness! These elders have already attempted to kill me! As you can see… it is not yet time! Yes I told the elders this and a whole lot more!
So, as I said, stand firm, stay strong, help others… your Heavenly Father cares about all who love Him and who follow closely in the footsteps of our Messiah!
Peace and Joy to all of you!
from your sister in the faith
Hi Tammi, before Ken responds I just wanted to say welcome. Some do commit suicide or are driven that way because they think you will get a ressurection only if you die before armageddon. How sad. So you be careful if you are a threat.
http://governingbodyletters.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2012-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2013-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=12
Jacqueline, thanks for the link!
Ken, alot of the suicides were from pressure from brothers, telling them they would die at armageddon and such. Also in my court case the society alledged by an Elder, was behind telling my stalker to talk to me. That did prove to be a dangerous situation for me and him. He is insane and only they knew about his stalking me I didn’t know he confessed to them. I hired a police bodyguard to make a long story short and alerted my neighbors and every male in my life. So you can see they create dangerous situations. The policeman car moved when this elders car moved. The guards at my office confronted him once. As late as 2010. So one should never doubt it when a female says she is afraid. The society is alledgedly a master at fear without touching you. It will control the masses as they think this is happenning to you because you left the org.
I might not be avaiable much today. Grandmommy is from hour to hour now. My sister and brother in laws want me to come now to the hospital but I went to Dr. yesterday and am on antibiotics and need to stay from a hospital environ for 5 more days. My children are broken up over this. I got the call just 10 min. ago so. As I stated before my husband the son, is deceased and I am the only parent to help my sons cope and the great grands. They were very close to her as she helped me rear them. So I suspect relatives will start to arrive in the city.
I will not be available from time to time. I need to grieve and cry myself for 1968 until now she and I have stood together thru weddings of all her grandchildren by her oldest son, my deceased husband, and every family event.
Jacqueline, sorry to hear about your Grand Mother, hope you and her will have peace and comfort from Jehovah in this most difficult time…you’re already in my prayers……….
Thank you Tammi for those very encouraging words! It’s so nice to know I have others to turn to for support!! Do you really think the elders are trying to kill you?
Dear Ken and Jacqueline, My life with the WT Org./elders/ circuit overseers has been quite bizarre and so far not like any other christian that I know!(I keep searching and asking)But,to answer your question: I do not think they are trying to kill me, I know and have already confronted them about it as well and alerted the police! They have taken spying to a whole new level! And all of the friends I thought were my friends… not one of them was! The elders had these WT followers, follow me and go thru my belongings in my house! I trusted these ones thinking they were God’s people. I was devastated when all was revealed to me! Remember, Jehovah brings out what is done in secret!!!
A few more things I want to add as I continued to read on… I have found that there is no true religion on earth but, God’s true servants are found in all churches and organizations. So, throw religion out! Ask yourself, who is really my neighbor and friend? It’s probably someone from a different church and the one who will support you in your time of need!
Also, the scripture “do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers”, WT followers are not God’s people nor are they believers in the true God Jehovah! They are followers of an organization of men! WT follers and Jehovah’s people are NOT one and the same! The GB are self-appointed, self-exhalted men who have claimed to be the 144,000 anointed ones and have set up a day for all congregations all over the world to worship them! And they have used the “Lords evening meal” “Lord’s supper”, and renamed it “The Memorial”! These very ones have deceived many!
Paul said to keep testing whether or not you are in the faith! Why did he say that? Could it be that just like the Jews, their leaders became corrupt, they defiled the Word of God and made it invalid because of their traditions (doctrines)? See, the reason the elders/WT Org. does not like me is because I preach God’s Word, the truth not WT teachings! I was actually unaware of this until I left the Org.! But, had a meeting with the elders later on and I SAID MUCH!(to their awe and amazement)
As I am sitting here at the Library writing this to you… a WT elder came and sat right behind me to see what i’m doing! They have hacked into my computer once already and my computer crashed! Luckily, still under warranty!
I asked the police to “tap” my phone to see who all was on it? To their surprise, they asked why are these people (JW’s) doing this to you? What could I say? I was still in the Org.! I did confront the elders involved! At this time, the police were working with me because my now ex-husband beat me up and went to jail and the elders covered it up! And of course, my ex was and still is in “good standing”!
So, to you and all of you out there… keep your heads held high and keep your joy! Be happy and rejoice because you have been counted unworthy before men! You may not have a good standing in the WT Org. congregation but, most certainly a most favorable and righteous standing before Almight God Jehovah!!! Keep following closely in the Master’s footsteps because your reward is great in the heavens!
Your friend and sis,
Tammi
Hi Tammi,so sad to hear of your ordeal with the Jw’s and your husband, may I ask, why do you think they’re pursueing you so intensely?Do you have something on them?
Yes, I do have “alot of info” on the many, many elders in the three states WA, CA, NV! The elders pursue me because they are afraid I will expose them! I told them I was not trying to bring down their empire, that will take place soon enough!
When I had the meeting with them last, I told them I didn’t care if they DF’d me, it wouldn’t mean a thing. Think of all the millions who do want to hear the truth! I did say tho, I want to know who will be the ones to do it, I want to be there for it! To take my stand before my accusers just like Jesus did, and the Apostles, and the many faithful ones in the past! I am not afraid of their tactics and they know it! I did mention to them also, that I would NOT put up with them calling me an apostate! I said if someone does, I will not keep silent I will speak up and out and all the people around will know who is a person speaking the truth of God’s Word and who is preaching false doctrines!!! Because I have knowledge of their secret elder’s manual, I told them this was the time to call the branch office! (LOL) The elders were gasping and choking at what I was saying but, of course I was not and am not disrespectful by no means! Just boldly preaching the good news! In the “God’s Love” book, it states how a true christian will not compromise on any anthing… well, that is me and always has been! Many WT followers are doing the will of these men and not the will of Jehovah! This my friend is very sad.
You may wonder still why the elders are after me? They perceive me to be one of the true 144,000 anointed ones! Why? Because my life is as Jesus’s was, and most of all of whom is in the Bible too. Everything that was “even said to him” was said to me! And the elders sent many to question me as well. For years, I couldn’t understand why the elders were so cruel to me and why they wanted to get rid of me? Even telling me to leave the Kingdom Hall! I have been falsely accused and DF’d twice! Even now I have done nothing to be DF’d for, but they are seaching! I laugh at them because I don’t care, go ahead and do it! None want to do it because I did say that who does it, this is their condemnation as well! So, far no one has… Also, another reason… I have received and demonstrated the “Gifts of the Holy Spirit”! I know WT Org. followers do not believe in them! And what the religious leaders said to Jesus, the elders said to me too! I’m a beliver in my Heavenly Father’s Word whole heartedly and Jesus said he will be with us until the end. Is it the end yet? No! The gifts are for to build up the “Body of Christ” and help unbelievers come to know our Father and His Son! Do no be afraid. Keep seeking for truth and you shall find the very knowledge of God! Be careful and cautious tho! Get yourself a few different Bibles and concordance and study, study, study!
So, just like Peter, when Jesus said, “after greiving go back and help the others”! (after he denied him) When the elders were telling others I was one of the anointed, I was denying it, for I wasn’t saying I was one of the anointed, they were saying it! For along time, I was completely unawares of what they were saying and doing to me and why they were so mean to me and why wasn’t I loved, accepted and supported!They accepted my ex and each time he beat me up, or committed adultery, etc., he got baptized when he was still going to anger-management classes and on probation! The elders kept giving him priveleges in the congregation! I know why now! “Silentthelambs.com”
But, there came a time I could no longer take their being mean to me and so I left Nov 2011. I have gone back to meetings and still converse with other JW’s who “want” to listen to the truth! I’m going back to help others! I’m going back to warn many! I’m going back to find the lost sheep! It’s sad to know that there are not many of God’s true servants in the WT Org. They didn’t start out this way but, that brainwashing is a terrible thing!!! Everything I am telling you I have already said to the elders! There is much, much more here than you can imagine and I have been asked to post what has happened to me but, there is not enough space! LOL! And the ones who are involved may be friends of ones who post comments, and i’m not here to burst bubbles and tell all of everyones horrible deeds!
I have a ministry, I have an assignment just as Jeremiah did! His message was against the arrogant leaders misleading the people. I have already warned certain elders I am coming to them! This is probably why they watch me? I am not afraid, what can man do to me? My Heavenly Father watches over me and has protected me from my enemies! By the way, even the WT GB won’t confront me! (The most prominant ones in cong. send younger and newer ones to speak to me) Yes, the GB have come to the congregations where i have been! With the “Gifts of the Holy Spirit”, I am able to see, know and hear! 🙂 They don’t want to get to close!
Do not be in fear of man but, fear the Most High and uphold His Standards, His Word! Stand for truth and righteousness! By your stand you will save many! So, speak out and bring Glory to our Heavenly Father who looks down with favor on those who love Him! Proverbs 27:11
I will pray for you, hang in there!
Tammi
Tammi…..I had no idea of the ordeal you’re going through…….WOW!Please don’t give up in your faithful service to Jehovah, I’ll pray for you and all of us here will be a BIG listening ear!!
Tammi, I totally agree with u.I don´t believe in the existence of one true religion.True religion is a state of being.Anyone in any religion worshipping God with his whole heart and soul belongs to the right religion.
Hi 19 nice to hear from you.
Ken and Br. Peter look at 19 other comment please. I found it in spam.
Well just as I figured…after I told my wife I was serious about not becoming a Jw again and joining the BS……she said she doesn’t want to live with an “apostate” and is threatining to leave me!
Ken, I don’t know what is going wrong but this is the third time I am seeing this. JWSTRUGGLE brother wife left him for the same reason. A sister that I will not name husband gave her an altenative and he left. Pearl know of more persons. I am sorry to hear this Ken. Those of us that this has happened too have found peace and learned to live with it. How are you feeling about this? I hope there are no children involved as this will be painful. A religion is supposed to keep marriages together when other things threaten it not be the cause of the breakup when there is not threat to the person.
Matt 19:36 Your enemies will be of his own household. !Cor 12:26 when one member suffer we all suffer. 1Pet 3:17 says as long as it is for doing good it has merit in God’s eyes. Ken I have come to look at it this way. I hope to die and live with Christ so now it does not matter. This might be easier for me as all of my children are grown and I am older. So it might prove to be a severe test or trial for you. Make preparations now to endure it. You also are in a race for life just as the average witness feel they are. It works both ways. It is a form of blackmail to say I won’t be your wife, son or daughter if you don’t worship the governingbody with me. It is also a control factor that the society often uses so it’s members use it also. I hope you are able to work this thru with your wife, and I will be praying for the will of God to be done. Take Care
Jacqueline, I’ve been preparing for this to happen and I’m ready…..so glad all my kids are grown and living on their own. I remember the words of Mark 10:29,30……”No ones has left houses…..mother,brother,sisters,etc….for my sake who will not get 100 fold…….and everlasting life”.Sometimes I wonder what I would do if the situation was turned around…..I know it would be difficult but I wouldn’t leave home because of it!
Ken – You know we are praying for you. As a Bible Student elder I always try to encourage couples to stay together and work things out. The JW organization puts a wedge between the marriage in such cases and it is very difficult to hold together. Let me share some suggestions. I hope they may be a little helpful.
1. Let your wife know that you love her very much and that you very much want to keep your marriage together.
2. Let her know that you will support her in her efforts to serve the JW organization. You will respect her conscience and not get in her way.
3. Tell her that you still believe many of the same things. You are simply going back to your early watchtower roots. From her perspective, she should see that it could be a lot worse. This is not like going to a nominal church.
4. Read to your wife, 1 Cor 7:13 which says that a Christian woman should not send away her unbelieving husband (which you are in her eyes).
5. Ask your wife that if Brother Russell were alive today and would not change his views to the “new light,” would she consider him an Apostate for standing his ground. Hopefully she will say “no.” If so, then you can say why should I be considered an apostate for agreeing with the Watchtower’s founder.
That last suggestion may be a tough sell to an indoctrinated JW. These are just suggestions. You will know best what to do in your own case. Our prayers are with you every day.
Thank you so much Peter K., I will follow your advice and keep you posted:)
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As you all know, I was Df’d from the Jw’s over two years ago and have been studying the volumes and attending a local ecclesia. My wife is still a Jw and needless to say she’s not happy with my involvement with the Bible students, to appease her, I’ve been going to all the Jw meetings and conventions, I even told her I’d study nothing but Jw literature for a month and if I’m not convinced it’s the truth after that…….I’d become a B.S.,well times up………the B.S. win! I got rid of all my Jw literature and haven’t been to a meeting in almost two weeks. My ordeal is not over yet because my wife doesn’t take me seriously…….when she finally does, I guarentee it’s not going to be easy for me at all!!
Ken, Nice to hear from you. This is what I picked up on Jehovah-witness.com site about jwstruggle.com, He has attended a convention and I got to see him on adobe connect. Hope you fair better. I will go to Harvest convention this weekend.
From our dear JWSTRUGGLE Br. Eric:
Well I figured I should give you all an update. They will be DFing me soon for apostasy. It is not a huge surprise and I am not afraid nor “shaking in my boots”, however I will admit it is stressful right now. I am not ashamed at all and soon they will not be able to touch me. Soon I will be able to stop the ridiculous aliases that I have used for the last two years. I say “aliases” in the plural, because of my relatively high profile in my area I had felt that I had to use multiple fake names.
I am RayPublisher. I am JWStruggle. And some others too…My real name will follow soon but I am going to wait another week so as not to sabotage the upcoming meeting which will be fully documented for posterity, as they pile one more “spiritual martyr” onto the holocaust of people they have spiritually executed. (It’s all SOOO DRAMATIC lol!)
ANYWAY, the following cover letter is going to be sent out to the local newspapers and media outlets soon. I’m hoping that I may get some traction. Either way I will be advertising the support group and hope that more of us in my local area will be encouraged by this. I was going to wait a few business days to send it out and thought I would tap into the collective brainpower of you folks here for feedback or constructive critisicm.
Thanks for those of you that have helped me on here. And to the couple of you that turned out to be a$$holes, (you know who you are!) no hard feelings from me; I accept you just the way you are…you can’t help the way you were born.
BTW I made a YouTube video and it is linked to below. It feels liberating to use my actual face and just talk to the webcam. I hope to do more of these as time goes on.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/235320/1/They-will-be-DFing-me-soon-for-apostasy
Ken also Ro. 12:12says after enduring rejoice in the hope and persevere in prayer. Rom:2:7 “To them who by patience continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life”. If you stay steady in your course your family will see you have not dropped dead from leaving and they mellow out and learn a valuble lesson in tolerance, something Jehovah witnesses are lacking in.
An xjw elder told me yesterday that my staying with the BS has caused others to ask questions. My son called me yesterday to confide according to news it seems it is natural Israel that the bible is talking about not the witnesses. I was able to explain Rutherford dying in 1942 before 1948 and the seven day war in 1967, he jumped the gun so to speak and because he didn’t see Israel going back he looked for another fulfilment. But it is amazing that my family ask questions. Another daughter in law looked at all my convention pictures and Indiana fair witnessing on my phone as she looked at her children snapshots. She openly commented that we are just as zealous and religious as the witnesses. We have a grandmother in dire straits now in the hospital. All relatives and visitors are witnesses but I was able to go there and be in the hospital with them and comfort the children and my children. (my deceased husband’s mother). It is because I was out front in a normal way with my new hope and association with the brothers of Christ, Bible Students. Quite a few are elders but My head didn’t spin around when I left so they are comfortable. I am not rude when they talk about grandmommy enjoying the summer convention and when they talk about the KH. I will wish them enjoyment when they say they are going to the convention etc. It will work out Ken if you endure and always bite you lip until it becomes natural to speak like a Christian. Character development takes time when you have practiced being high-minded for so long. We got your back here. Just call on us. It will work out to the glory of the father.
Jacqueline…..thanks for your encouraging words and your support! I remember seeing that youtube video last week…it’s great! shows that I’m not alone:)I feel the same way your son does about Israel…..especially since I’ve come to realize the Jw’s arn’t the true religion.
Do Bible students ever conduct one on one Bible studies with anyone? If so, which publication do they use?
Ken most use the bible on topics More Bible Study than book study. Half the time we don’t know where we are in the book.LOL. Many congregations vote on what theyt want to use as the guide and how they will handle it.
It depends what the person who you are studying with would like.
Some use booklets, some use the Divine Plan of the Ages, and some use the Bible itself.
Currently my Monday evenings consist of going through different topics from the Bible alone. We’ve explored the topics of immortal soul, hell, Trinity, Armageddon,l and now we’re discussing who/what (and when) is the Antichrist. Monday we’ll be exploring the book of Daniel chapter 7 in it’s context. We’ll bring in multiple parallel passages from Revelation as well.
The study started slowly over a several year period and is now nearly every week.
Greetings all! I haven’t heard from anyone in awhile…how’s everybody?
Hi Ken how are you? I just got internet on my computer, only had my phone. I am fine. With my family doing camping etc. How is it going with you. There will be a memorial service for Inez Fearon, Rick’s wife on Sunday 7/8/2012.
Hi Jacqueline,I’m enduring this terrible heat wave we’re having, yesterday the Temp. reached over 100 degrees!! I went to the wednesday night meeting at Bro. Toms house and saw the box of books you gave me but forgot to bring them home:(. So sad to hear about Rick’s wife Innez, I know she looked ill for quite some time,I hope to see her in heaven someday:)
Hi Ken, I am back home now with internet. We were in the woods with spotty connections. I have had so many experiences. I spoke with Kent from Sweden today he and I both have been reading the articles from Columbia Bible and here http://www.endtimes-biblereport.com/Current_Issue_files/61OneTrueChurchWeb.pdf. Our conclusion on trials is that they must come to make us. to shape us and help us to be the type of persons he can use by his side. If there are no trials then Jesus is not looking at you for that purpose. Indeed your own household and the one lying close to your bosom will cause you the most heartache. Jesus warned us, but just as he learned obedience from the things he suffered we shall too. So Ken count this as a blessing that Jesus will allow you to be tested. Remember Paul, Jesus and his Father handpicks and chooses ones they can use and that have a willing heart. Take Care it will all work out as a blessing for you in the end, but as coming thru fire.
We have the air show here in Indiana, it is 100 plus degrees but people are walking to the beach to see it. I think I will just listen to the planes and imagine what they are doing LOL.
I finally let my Wife know that I don’t have any plans to become a JW again, now she’s threating to get get a legal separation from me!
Ken so sorry to hear that. Although it is extortion, the organization will not give her a problem because the charge will be: ” Absolute Spiritual Endangerment”. This along with willfull non support etc will be okay with her elders. I say absolute because you are with one of their greatest fears The Bible Students.Ken only you know your circumstances but Rom 8:17talks about suffering together to be glorified together. 1Peter3:17 says it is better to suffer for doing Good if God wills it rather than doing bad. So you are a better Christian you say now than when you were a witness. Talk to here gently and let her know you love her and to look honestly at you now. Pray, that Jesus will open her heart. Don’t ever say (if I might suggest to her to go on and get a separation) many witnesses will run with that and say you said to do it.Matt. 10:16-23 applies here for you will be hailed before court for the name of Jesus. Reading over this now you will have new and more meaning and understanding.
Matt. 10:36 (Phillips)’A man’s enemies will be those who live in his own house.” Or you might say cause you distress, your family matters so much.
I know the brothers will be encouragement to you at the convention. I find it best to let them know the trials you are going through. They have testimony for that. When righteous ones petition Jehovah they have much power. I will enter into prayer Ken and I am so sorry.
Jacqueline and Sharon, thank you so much for the encouragement!Now that my Wife understands that I’m determined to be be a BS,although disappointed,she seems to be satisfied with me just going to the meetings with her. She’s hoping I’ll hear something that’ll make me have a change of heart….LOL! So I agreed I’d go but only for her sake.I can imagine how she’ll respond when I tell her I’m going to the convention on Sunday!!
BTW, I found the meeting last night(6/27/12)on the chart explanation very encouraging!
Great Ken, you have to do what you have to do to keep your family in tack especially when there is an outside force working against it in the name of God. People will die for God and Jesus and rightly so. So I understand if she feels threatened spiritually. I just never understood why JW couldn’t seem to exist if their mate was not a witness, the mate never care if the witness is one, strange indeed. Jw are not very tolerant, most of their disapproval comes from that attitude not really because they are following the Bible. BTW she might decide to do a turn about and go with you. Much stranger things have happened. I know definitely she will hear something that will make her think and that is what the governingbody doesn’t want witnesses to hear anything different from what they say. It will stir their thinking ability. It actually is a blessing that you can’t talk to anyone at the KH because it would be impossible to not tell out what you are learning. Peace Ken and congrats on your wife’s attitude. Glad both of you compromised.
Jacqueline, yes it is indeed a bleesing that I’m Df’d! My Wife said she was going to tell the elders that I’m an apostate( I’m sure out of frustration)I told her what good would that do since I’m no longer a Jw anyway.
Right, and they would not reinstate you when you applied for such. The Jews rejected the Messiah, so off to the nations! Yes they had a jewel with knowledge of the real truth and they said no Ken we don’t want you. Do they expect you to be a Godless person. Ken when God choses you then he will qualify you. In the JW one has to be qualified first to be used. Jehovah chooses the ones with a heart he can work with. So you are truly blessed that he pulled you out of that system. Remember Paul he could be used and Jesus handpicked him like he did the other 12 apostles. He made him an apostle in place of Judas.
Ken,Sorry to hear about the situation within your home. It is unfortunate that the Society condones or even encourages such unneccessary behavior. We look forward to seeing you on Sunday at the convention in Milwaukee.
My dear Brother Ken, there is nothing sadder than a home in turmoil. I am so VERY sorry that you are going through this trial. You have NOT said you were leaving her and it is her decision to follow through. As a woman, I’d want to be reassured that I was loved and that you weren’t leaving me. I might need to be reminded that you are leaving an abusive and tyrannical organization and your love for me has not changed. It’s my understanding that she has family that are JWs. Let your faith hold to GOD’s promises. He knows and understands. He is sympathetic to every heart beat. Psalms 57:1 57 … in the shadow of thy wings will I make my refuge, until these calamities be past.
Ken, sorry to hear about your wife.Must be difficult for you.
I thank you all for the encouragement, it seems I won’t be able to make it to the convention, this time anyway,(my wife is just to upset right now)but at least she’s starting to look into BS literature and we’re having more “civilized” discussions:)
I understand Ken. It is sort of like a badge of honor in the witnesses to have your husband be a witness also. As a woman she is also ostracized to a certain degree with you being DF’d. That’s why I understood your wanting to be reinstated. But the committee isn’t so much concerned about the cong being kept clean as they are about holding power over a person ‘s head. Life and death so to speak. Little closed groups don’t understand that it only matters in their little crowd. If your wife branch out a little she will see isolation is not good. That is the way control is enforced. Jesus said don’t take them out of the world completely. Hopefully with time it will work out. Maybe you can tune in on adobe connect. Br. Peter or Jeff will send the link to you. Keep us posted and may God be with you.
I also understand. It is a difficult situation for you now. I pray Yahweh’s guidance for you as you work through this experience.
May the Lord bless thee and keep thee.
Thank you Jeff! I plan on going to the ecclesia at Bro. Gilbert’s house this coming Wednesday, Jacqueline, I’ll pick up the books you so graciously provided…thanks!
Thank you for your reply 19;
There is a BS CONVENTION last weekend near Rawanda, did you make it?
You mentioned other books. About 40 writers over 1600 years. A book burned and thought to be destroyed yet the most printed. Tell me the name s of the other books with these credentials.
Max, I´m African but i don´t live there so there was no way i could make it.Besides i won´t be affiliating myself with any religious group for a while. When i mention other books, i´m not talking about christian or judaic books i´m talking about the cultures that were wiped out. Others cultures also had their writings which were neglected and i´m not talking about Afica because there the tradition is oral.
19, sometimes you have to step back for a minute from this thing called religion. I like the article on the opening page of this site; “What is the one true Church?” You might want to see what the Bible says about worship. This great Babel of riligion can be confusing and cause persons to worship institutions instead of God. An organized approach to religion stifles our relationship with God and our brothers rules instead of the gospel of God’s word. Jesus instituted something brand new. Not like the Sanhedrin or organization of his day but Christians in small groups building one another up. Acts I find is a great roadmap for how the early christians came together. As you ponder take your Bible with you pray and just clear your head. Jesus’ ransom can cover that. There is a new world in which righteousness will dwell and each man will be at one with the father like a big family each able to interact with their father after the 1,000yrs. That is where it will matter what your choice is. On here we don’t reveal where we are and if you want toattend any meeting please go thru contact us and Br. Peter, Kris will see it if you tell us to look for it. My culture as a child was very close to African culture with the oral histories. My father was born in the 1800 and his dad at the end of the 1700, his parents probably came from the shores of Africa. My brother served as a missionary in Dahomey now Benin sw Africa and as a CO in Nigeria. I have managed a singing group from Africa “Soukos Stars”. They talk a lot about Africa. You take care and let us know what is going on with you and your thoughts on the article about true worship. Until later my little brother, peace and Christian love Jacqueline
19, I understand that there have been lots of cultures and we will bwe shocked to know about them. But right now we are dealing with Christianity, Jesus. There have no doubt been greater dynasties than even the Bible deals with. But the human race is in trouble and God had a plan that conformed to justice and what is right to get them out of it. And that was put down in writing in this book the Bible. We can’t deal with all the great writings when it comes to deliverance of mankind, only one book deals with that plan laid out by God. There are other cultures that have similar stories that are mentioned in the bible but rather than being different they prove that we are all connected. Even land masses were at one time. All of the cultures make up one set;the human race, that needs ransoming. Does any of these other writings hold out a cure or hope that can be implemented with surety. The Bible is a book that has survived by divine intervention. These other cultures and many of their books are not so prominent as to be known worldwide. Hardly any one on this planet has not heard about Jesus and the book the Bible. Do they beieve in him, maybe not. Does everyone automatically know about other writings? Not on as wide a scale as the bible and Jesus. In the millenium we will see the other beautiful variety of people and cultures that has existed but are now extinct even. Faith is what we all have to have now and so much of the bible predictions came true, right on time. We all wait groan and moan together 19. As you grow pass 24yrs you will think differently. Teenage is 13-24yrs. Then the brain matures. Take Care keep thinking and asking questions.
This morning i was thinking about the human tendency to view ourselves as superior to others. Our religion is superior, our race is superior, our fav team is superior, our sex is superior, our country is superior, our opinions are superior, our way of life, we are superior to animals e.t.c. This is the root of our problems.Instead of seeing the other as a complement we see him as opposite and inferior but the truth is without “YOU” there would be no “ME”. If humans are like that then God is not, i mean he see everythingthing from all angles and to him we´re all the same.