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  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.

    I have his studies, even a nice copy of the photo drama of creation. Also have most of Rutherfords books. Sadly for some they don’t get the new light. They get stuck in the mud.The Common Bible reads, The way of the righteous is like morning light that gets brighter and brighter till it is full day. The path of the wicked is like deep darkness they dont know where they will stumble. Proverbs 4:18,19.
    What is the difference between the bible and the studies?
    The bible is inspired by God. The studies are not inspired. What happened with ctr? He partnered with Nelson Barbour, who then went differnt, they split. Get the first 6 issues of the Watch Tower. They put the writers names in there. Most if not all left ctr quite quickly. 1907 , 1909, two big fall aways. 1914 when end did not happen many fell away. Why? Because what ctr had them believe didnt happen. Did that mean ctr was not used by Jehovah? No! Remember John chapter 6, Jesus made a statement, a bunch left him. Who was right? Jesus, but Jesus new they were following him for the wrong reason, otherwise he would have went and explained everything to them, but he didn’t. John 5:39 he showed bible students, but he showed them false! Why were they false? Verse 42 Jesus says, but I know you, that you don’t have God’s love in you.
    Now, as myself I’m here to give option as what Comes to my mind. Not to say any here don’t have God’s love in them. No man on earth now can read hearts. My belief is if living back then you would have found me reading his writings and hope maybe being a colporture. Bust most importantly cling to Jehovah so when we went through those sittings would have remained faithful. And yes ctr always said present truth, very opened to new understanding. Look what he went through, those fall outs all the time, his wife visiting groups and when he put a stop to her power grab she divorced him. And guess who got the studies and believed in them? Judge Rutherford. Who ctr used often. As to him or Moses or any human thinking they know all about Jehovah and no need to learn more. Eccl.3:11 God has made everything fitting in it’s time, but has also placed eternity in their hearts, without enabling them to discover what God has done from beginning to end. Just think at the time Satan is destroyed and the last enemy is done also.
    Look what Rev. 21:5 Then the One seated on the throne said, Look! I’m making all things new. Plus while the anointed at Rev. 20:6 along with Jesus all 144,001 will help us on earth learn more new things, from scrolls were opened. Another scroll was opened too; this is the scroll of life, and you anointed with Jesus will be judging me and many others. 20:12
    If I make it, Right now Thank my God Jehovah, His Son His beloved who He said we should listen to, the Angel’s helping in preaching work. Rev. 14:6 and the 144,000 kings and priests. Rev. 20:6

    Try and read volume 6 of ctr. He shows disfellowshipping. And the great crowd of underachiever. They belie ed back then they would go to heaven and serve 144,000. Where is the bible students great crowd of underachievers?

    Have a great night.

    • Christopher Johns

      Dave,
      Thanks for your response. I as well have all of Rutherfords Books and Paul SL Johnson. Yes we believe the world of mankind is not on trial right now. After Adam sinned the world of mankind is under the death sentence of Adam. Only when one is called and consecrates themselves and is spirit begotten is the merit of Christ imputed to them. They then are released from the Adamic sentence and now do not die the Adamic Death but a sacrificial death. The world is still under sentence of Adam. When they are resurrected then they will no longer die because of Adam but die die for their own sins. God is only calling the bride right now. Where this all took a turn was in the October 15, 1923 Watch Tower when the Parable of the Sheep and Goats was shifted from the MILLENNIAL age to the GOSPEL age. Thus shoving everyone off into second death that didnt accept Rutherfords Message. There is no great crowd being called. The bible says there is only ONE CALLING in the Gospel Age. Jesus never came with a two-hope system. Never do we find some of the first century Christians partaking and the other passing the emblems by. We dont see any Christian’s in the first century with earthly hope. Before pentecost the only hope was earthly. Then Jesus came and opened up a new and living way. He never offered an earthly hope for Christians. Thats purely and invention of Rutherford in 1935. The WT today teaches the great crowd is an earthly class. This not Biblical. The Bible says there is only one calling. Not two. No one can come to christ unless God calls them. When one is called and accepts this invitation will follow in the steps of christ. Just like christthey agree to lay down their life in sacrifice. They,like jesus, CANNOT take their earthly life back. It was laid down in sacrifice. Therefore they will be reprimanded to the great company class or second death. They cannot take back their earthly body that they agreed in a covenant with God to lay down. The rest of the world will have their chance for life in the millennium. Jesus death guarantees every human one resurrection. Those who have been released from this are Adamic death are the anointed only. The rest of the world will be brought back in the millennium having forever lost the prize of gaining joint heirship with christ. Nowhere does christ offer ANY of his followers the hope of living on earth. That is for the general restitution class. The great multitude are said to serve God before the throne. Now the WT says the word “enopion” means standing in approved condition. However angels and the 144,000 are also said to be “enopion”. Here are so scriptures showing that the word enopion is in heaven.
      Revelation 1:4 – “seven spirits that are before (enopion) his [God’s] throne, ….” 
      Revelation 4:5 – “seven lamps of fire burning before (enopion) the throne [of God], ….” 
      Revelation 4:10 – “the twenty-four elders fall down before (enopion) the One seated upon the throne…, and they cast their crowns before (enopion) the throne, ….” 
      Revelation 5:8 – “And when he took the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before (enopion) the Lamb, having each one a harp and golden bowls that were full of incense, and the means the prayers of the holy ones.” 
      Revelation 8:3 – “And another angel arrived and stood at the altar, having … incense … to offer … with the prayers of all the holy ones upon the golden altar that was before (enopion) the throne.” 
      Revelation 9:13 – “And I heard one voice out of the horns of the golden altar that is before (enopion) God.” 
      Revelation 11:16 – “And the twenty-four elders who were seated before (enopion) God

      The great crowd are said to serve God day and night in his temple. The word temple here is “naos”. It means according to the Kingdom Interlinear “Divine Habitation”. It always refers to the Most Holy of the temple or tabernacle. The most holy of the tabernacle represents heaven. Never to an earthly courtyard. In the Society in the early 80’s many started to see that the great crown was heavenly and disfellowshipping went on. A pamphlet was published and circulated. It has been reprinted and proves that the WT has mislead many about the great crown using their own publications. It’s not available online that I know of but is published in the back of the new edition of “Crisis of Conscience” by ray franz.

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.

    Thank you.

  • Dave

    What is the Lords evening meal date this year?

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.

    Think if he read this to them the Jews. Because of our sins and the wrong doing of our parents, both Jerusalem and your people have become a disgrace to all our neighbors. Daniel 9:16

    • Chris Johns

      Simeon has related how God first concerned Himself about taking from among the Gentiles a people for His name. With this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written, ‘A fter these things I will return, A nd I will rebuild the tabernacle of D avid which has fallen , A nd I will rebuild its ruins , A nd I will restore it , S o that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord , A nd all the G entiles who are called by M y name ,’
      Acts 15:15-17

      Notice the progress. Take people people out from gentiles. Then rebuilt Israel (Tabernacle of David) THEN THEN THEN the residue or men will seek God.

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.

    Did you see in my last post, Apollo’s was not afraid to argue with the Jews over scripture?

    • Chris Johns

      He didnt go out to argue. When some came to him he could argue. Not go out to tru to refute. Jesus took on the pharisees when they challenged him hit he didnt go looking for them to argue with. Please dont look for excuses. I used to be a JW and used that same line of arguements fo justify my ignorance.

  • Dave

    To All.

    Did Apollos have the heavenly call? If answer is yes, 1. Was it when he believed?
    2. Was he a chosen one on arriving in Ephesus where it says he was well educated and effective in his use of the scriptures? Consider to this question, He had been instructed in the way of the Lord and spoke as one stirred up by the spirit. He taught accurately the things about Jesus, even though he was aware only of the baptism John proclaimed and practiced. He began speaking with confidence in the synagogue.
    Is he anointed or chosen yet??

    Then two Christian’s welcomed him in and explained to him God’s way more accurately. He would vigorously defeat Jewish arguments in public debate,using the scriptures to prove that Jesus was the Christ.
    Correct me if I’m wrong. Was this about 50to 55c.e.? And, dod he have to get rebatized in Jesus name like Paul did too 12 in Acts 19 then played hands on them 12 and they received holy spirit which they all them years didnt even know existed.
    Will appreciate lots of feed back.
    When if yes did Apollo get anointed?

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s. Yes billions will be resurrected. Romans 6:23; 3:23. But Jesus and the bride are going to bring removal of those Jesus judges as not worth to enter the beginning of the 1000 years. Acts 17:31 And brother Russell taught that a great crowd of underachiever would be saved. WHY???
    Because they listened to the Spirit and bride at Rev. 22:17 they heard the words come and then they studied bible and they told others to come.

  • Chris Johns

    Well Dave. I hope you keep searching and God bless your studies. Im not going to argue with anyone in scripture. It gets nowhere. So I’ll leave it here. Have a great night.

  • Chris Johns

    Dave,
    God wants us all to be saved. However he is only going to to the gentiles to gather the rest if the bride. Again in Rev 21:17 who is the bride telling to come is they are all in hell? Tye world will have their trial in the millennium. The books for judging arent even open until the end of the 1000 years!!

    Read this passage. If we reign with christ for 1000 years and this is the only say to be saved why is satan let back out to test the nations again?

    “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
    Revelation 20:6‭-‬8

  • Dave

    To Christopher John’s.

    The spirit and bride are speaking to any who are willing to listen. Remember Acts 17:30 EVERYONE!!!
    EVERYWHERE!!!
    It is that simple, do what Ezekiel says.
    18:23 last part, if they change their ways they will live.

    • Chris Johns

      Dave,
      God wants us all to be saved. However he is only going to to the gentiles to gather the rest if the bride. Again in Rev 21:17 who is the bride telling to come is they are all in hell? Tye world will have their trial in the millennium. The books for judging arent even open until the end of the 1000 years!!

      Read this passage. If we reign with christ for 1000 years and this is the only say to be saved why is satan let back out to test the nations again?

      “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
      Revelation 20:6‭-‬8

    • Chris Johns

      Grammar corrected.

      Dave,
      God wants us all to be saved. However he is only going to the gentiles to gather the rest of the bride. Again in Rev 21:17 who is the bride telling to come if the rest are all in hell? The world will have their trial in the millennium. The books for judging aren’t even open until the end of the 1000 years!!

      Read this passage. If we reign with christ for 1000 years and this is the only day to be saved why is satan let back out to test the nations again?

      “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
      Revelation 20:6‭-‬8

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